to want HATE campaigns against foreigners in the popular Press to stop...

When I think of Dm readers, and I know one of two personally, I don't think of them as racist or bigoted.

I do think the paper is all those things however. Oh yes one can point to the odd thing that it has done for the good but it is the overall balance that you have to look at and the occasional stop you in your tracks headlines. This drip drip of hate and fascist rhetoric permits the sort of behaviour you see carried out by a certain element. That is what is so alarming and worrying for the way our society could be heading.
Today Farage along with the Bnp and other fascist groups will march in protest against the judges who were headlined with hate by the Dm. This is the element it encourages.
It is hate and distrust of "The other" based on nothing more than just that which companies like Lego abhore. They may remember the DM history and do well to distance itself from such a rag bag.

durhamjen

"By returning your Lego you are implying you support a newspaper that prints racist articles on its front page."

Any body else wish to call me 'Racist'

By returning the Lego I am not 'implying' bugger all, I am stating Lego has implied I am a racist.

You and Nelliemoser et al are happily stating that 'any' Gransnet poster who reads the Daily Mail is a Racist are you not!

By returning your Lego you are implying you support a newspaper that prints racist articles on its front page.

It was a Trump supporter who shot a demonstrator today in Portland.

I learnt to read when sitting on my dad's knee while he read the Express to me. They hadn't got onto the DM then.
One day I started reading it to him.
I know I was four years old, because it was before I started school and before I had my accident, which was on my fifth birthday. When I started school after I came out of hospital I wasn't allowed to go out and play with the other children at break times or do P.E. I was given a book to read instead.

Nelliemoser

I've been called some names on Gransnet but 'Racist'. Really?

durhamjen

"By the way, Lego is much more educational than the DM for your friend's granddaughter".

Well considering she is only 4 years old that is stating the bleeding obvious.

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I don't see it as censorship. Every business has a certain amount of money to spend on advertising. If lots of its customers decide they are not going to buy Lego because of their ads in certain newspapers, they will think again about where they advertise.
If I agreed with you, POGS, I shouldn't be able to decide where my private pension is invested. I shouldn't be able to write to pension companies to find out if they invested in arms companies. I shouldn't be allowed to write to Barclays and tell them I will not have a bank account with them because they fund fracking.

By the way, Lego is much more educational than the DM for your friend's granddaughter.

I loved Gary Lineker's response.

Brick by brick.....

Tegan

"less intelligent people might actually believe those lies and use them to reinforce their racist views"

It's this permanent use of showing a superior intellect to belittle others that I find so patronising. I mentioned the woman being interviewed demonstrating in the USA against Trump. She was asked why she was demonstrating against a democratic vote , she said this:-

"To have democracy you have to have an 'educated public".

It is not only condescending it verges on narcissism, feeling of self importance.

I would rather have the choice of reading papers that have opposite views than read only one politically orientated paper to evaluate what is 'actually' happening in the world.

Sometimes it is far more revealing to note what a paper or News Station 'DOES NOT' mention rather than what it does that can form a view !! Overtly political papers and News Stations are politically biased and withhold information they believe will damage 'their team', their chosen political party, their readers desire to read only information that props up their political beliefs without having the guts to challenge their stereotypical views. Whether they be the likes of The Guardian, The Daily Mail, BBC etc.

Believing you have the right to expect others to follow your thought pattern, then whether it is left or right of politics if you do not question what you read , check the truth then it is up to the individual but don't cry fowl if others challenge you.

It is good to debate, to make a point but what is not acceptable, at least to some and is the crux of why I keep arguing the point, trying to censor what is printed by papers we as an individual do not like is totally wrong and it is a desire to go along with censorship. I might be alone in how I feel but I will never agree nor go along with it.

By saying YOU /WE I am using it as a generalisation not directed to an individual by the way.

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So newspapers should be allowed to print lies so that intelligent people can be free to read those lies even though less intelligent people might actually believe those lies and use them to reinforce their racist views? Or am I missing something here?

granjura I don't know how old your grandchildren are but I have two at university studying politics and the rest are all intelligent enough to form their own opinions regardless of newspaper headlines.

However, speaking of young people in general, I believe that in the world of social media, X boxes and sensationalist films/videos/computer games etc., most of today's children regard newspaper headlines with the same shrug that they give to a school subject that neither interests nor inspires them.

I don't think you really have any cause for concern.

Censorship is the suppression of free speech, public communication or other information which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by governments, media outlets, authorities or other groups or institutions.

Not at all- it is telling people that racist headlines are not acceptable. Mary Whitehouse? I don't think any of us are prude about sex, or contraception, or free choice -

we are concerned about the rise of in your face racism - a massive difference imho. Concerned about the cumulative effect of those front pages, day in, day out- the Sun, the Express, the Daily Mail - on the shelves in the face of our children and teenagers and the drip drip effect. You say some of us are trying to censure and that is an attack on your freedom - what about our freedom not to have thos front pages and headlines shoved in our face? At least put this filth on page 3, where it belongs- if you insist on reading it.

Yes, much more corrosive than pornography any day.

It is absolutely to do with telling people what they can or cannot read.

It is politicising companies to do the dirty work on your behalf. It is a dangerous way to go.

Apparently, the Lego advertised in the DM was for a limited time only, and has now ended.The campaign group ( called something like people against hate?) has also targeted John Lewis, but they say they will not be giving in to protest groups barracking them( good for them). I too, think it is a slippery slope when anyone who feels outraged can blackmail or browbeat to get their way.
There are far too many Mary Whitehouse types who think that they alone should be safeguarding the country's morals.

Yes bravo Le go We need to vote with our feet as consumers too. This is nothing to do with telling people what they can or cannot read!

But boo to every other company who dares to advertise with the most popular UK newspaper, eh?

Bravo Lego.

I have contacted Lego , not that they will give a tupenny hoot about my e.mail, to tell them I am returning a Lego set I bought 2_weeks ago for my friends granddaughter.

I am obviously not going to support a company that is prepared to assume I am a racist , hate filled person .

I am deadly serious I am concerned at the level of orchestrated politics that is taking place at the moment.

Keep telling people

'What They Can Read'
'What They Can Do'
'Who They Must Vote For'
'Forget Democracy'
'What they must think'

Suppress Free Speech, suppress freedom of choice, suppress a Free Press , suppress, suppress, suppress but when it comes back to bite you on the ass don't be as surprised.

When I watched Alastair Campbell , that well known left wing doyen of truth, trust and twaddle spewing out his rubbish I just had enough.

If you detest the Sun, The Daily Mail express your dislike but when the Rubicon gets crossed into believing you have the sole right to tell others what they can or cannot read then to be honest we have moved into dangerous territory and
authoritarianism.

The video in the link shows clearly the cumulative effect of those headlines- anyone of them is a concern- but day in, day out they accumulate, consciously or probably even more unconsiciously (some would say sublimaly) - and those are 'just' from the Express - added to those from the DM and the Sun - it turns onto an avalanche of vile and bile.

EVen then, if you take care to go back and count- there was laready quite a few more than 1 or 2 - but this is totally irrelevant, in the great scale of things.

What counts is that it has now turned into a great campaing, against those newspapers that daily peddle hate and racism- and that is marvellous in our eyes.

www.facebook.com/stopfundinghate/videos/345280275809309/

granjura, I was not referring to now but to your previous comment on this thread, as you know perfectly well.