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Craftycat Tue 22-Nov-16 16:29:42

I have been thinking about this for the last 2 days & cannot make up my mind if I am being unreasonable.

On Sunday over dinner my DS was telling us that they had had a letter from GC's school to say that an Iman from local Muslim community had been invited to come to the school (village primary school - no Muslim pupils) to talk to them about Islam.

My son & DiL have decided that they will exclude the children from school that day as they do not want them hearing 'propaganda from a religion that treats women so badly'.

I was really shocked as I thought any coming together of communities to promote mutual understanding could only be a good thing.
They live in a small village but the nearest town is not far away & as far as I am aware there is not a big Muslim community there.

I told him I thought it was a crazy idea & the children (10 & 8) should know about all other religions & learn to respect them as I hope they would ours ( we are not a religious family to be fair).
They are adamant that the children will miss a day's school rather than hear this man talk.

I am sure it will be appropriate for the Primary school age he will be talking to.

Am I wrong? I know it is their decision as they are their children but I would have liked my GC to have heard what the man has to say- teachers will be present.
I was really shocked to hear him say this & I have been thinking about it ever since.
I know he will not change his mind because of what I say but I think he is wrong.
What do others think?

Luckygirl Thu 24-Nov-16 20:20:46

The novel is autoniographical.

Anniebach Thu 24-Nov-16 20:11:48

grannypiper, I think it's man not religion which causes the bad

grannypiper Thu 24-Nov-16 20:07:26

There is good and bad in EVERY religion.

grannypiper Thu 24-Nov-16 20:06:27

petra in some areas white Christians are in the minority.

Ana Thu 24-Nov-16 19:21:54

Practices.

Ana Thu 24-Nov-16 19:20:53

Luckygirl said it was a novel, and she's read it more recently than me, Annie. I don't know which particular practises you mean.

Anniebach Thu 24-Nov-16 19:15:28

Ana, you said it was a novel ,I am not saying these practises didn't or don't take place , are you saying these practises were forced on girls?

Ana Thu 24-Nov-16 18:59:51

But I agree that it's rather an extreme example of Catholic schooling, and of its time.

Ana Thu 24-Nov-16 18:58:09

I read that book when I was about 14, Luckygirl, and I've never forgotten it. Anniebach, it isn't the choice of the girls in this book - you'd have to read it to understand.

Jalima Thu 24-Nov-16 18:55:10

I don't think Catholic schools are like that any more even if some were in the old days.

Well, DGS's isn't, he loves it.

Anniebach Thu 24-Nov-16 18:52:58

Why is it horrifying ? It's the choice of the individual

Luckygirl Thu 24-Nov-16 18:39:46

Just reading "Frost in May" which is a famous novel about Catholic convent school life. The cult of self-flagellation and the warping of natural instincts is horrifying. I have a catholic friend who bears out the reality of these practices.

Nelliemoser Thu 24-Nov-16 18:32:58

I like this cartoon which has been around for a while. It says a lot about religious views and religious criticism.

norose4 Thu 24-Nov-16 18:01:35

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joannewton46 Thu 24-Nov-16 17:58:04

This really wound me up. 25 years ago my daughter learnt about the various major religions in primary school as part of the curriculum. Will your son remove his children from school for that too? With this attitude, no wonder the world is in the mess it's in.
And no, I'm not particularly religious in any direction other than "love thy neighbour".

norose4 Thu 24-Nov-16 17:53:58

I can only imagine Jalima that such a funeral would be in some way more real & spiritual being unencumbered by religious protocols , not that I have a problem with traditional services (just in case someone reads this as being derogatory) After all what ever our own personal beliefs we all are , well just humans!

Jalima Thu 24-Nov-16 17:35:11

Well, this is over the years norose4, I think the first Humanist funeral we went to was several years ago for a very dear friend and it was very moving.

norose4 Thu 24-Nov-16 17:30:14

Sorry to hear that you have had several funerals to attended Jalima, a serious leveller for us all.

Paddyann , not sure if you meant me , but if so I wasn't aware any joke had been made .

Jalima Thu 24-Nov-16 17:25:51

I don't think that arranged marriages are a religious requirement - more a cultural thing but I am not sure.

Our neighbours were Hindu and theirs was an arranged marriage. As happy as any other marriage as far as I can tell!

Jalima Thu 24-Nov-16 17:23:14

Surprising norose4!

I have been to several Humanist funerals (sorry, don't mean to sound depressing!)

paddyann Thu 24-Nov-16 17:22:41

that MAY have been a "joke" but it certainly didn't come across as one,Catholic priests are in the main good people ,,sure there are the odd ones who behave in ways they shouldn't but that happens in all faiths and none ..I was raised Catholic ,I most certainly was NOT indoctrinated by the priests who we saw rarely in school or by the nuns who taught us .I also came from what was called a mixed marriage ,my father was raised protestant ...extreme protestant ,in the orange order and masonic lodge and my mother was the daughter of a devout Irish catholic .I married a man whose religion was different to mine and brought our children up in the CofS .I dont consider myself to be of any faith ,I do think the more people make barbed "jokes" or remarks about other faiths the less tolerance there is .It is neither helpful nor necessary .If you made the same remark about a Rabbi oor Iman there would be an outcry

norose4 Thu 24-Nov-16 17:14:40

Sorry ohhps meant sharing

norose4 Thu 24-Nov-16 17:13:36

Ohh dear Jalima, does this mean I belong to a minority group ! Lol ?Thanks also for sharinf the stats facts with us .

Jalima Thu 24-Nov-16 16:57:37

excuse typos!!

Jalima Thu 24-Nov-16 16:56:57

petra that could be the case. There was a primary school in Devon which was marked down because it only had white English pupils and I think had to exchange with a school in London to find out about diversity.

I don't know why it should be marked down - after all, they pupils can't help the area they live in, but it's always good to learn about cultural and other differences.

PurpleDaffodil Thank you for the information. I enquired about SACRE for the authority where the DGC live and it says:
We are constantly working to fill these vacancies to maintain a rich and diverse SACRE so it is not always as easy as it would seem to fulfil the what is set out in law.
These positions are filled:
Roman Catholic Church, Salvation Army, Pentecostal, Baptist, Bah­ faith, Buddhist faith, Jewish faith, Muslim faith
But vacancies for C of E, Hindu, Sikh and Free Churches which surprised me.
And no Humanist post listed, either filled or vacant