Brexit is it final??

I think few people really believed we'd be banning all immigration, or injecting vital workers here legitimately. More that we'd be able to have control over it. At the moment anyone with an EU passport can walk in from anywhere in Europe but people from Commonwealth countries like Australia or Canada have to jump through hoops. A level playing field is all I ever asked for.

It is a myth that Brexit supporters did not know what they were doing. They knew exactly what they were voting for and the fear campaign before and subsequently has only provided more reason to think they were right in wanting to leave an authoritarian, corrupt, financially moribund, undemocratic, federalising 'projet' led by political demagogues.

That said, I voted 'Leave' (obviously) but I would have been happy to 'Remain' had that been the decision. I remember being distinctly anxious when the result was announced as I forsaw that it was not going to be an easy road to travel.

Tony Blair speaking the truth!!! That will be the day!

People are still fighting the referendum on here, it is a useless argument. You need to get your minds around what next. And next is what sort of uk do we want

Who will give Parliament and the people another chance if the Brexit negotiations are unacceptable? Only the other members of the EU!
I agree that the campaign was deeply flawed and I have never heard one convincing reason to leave. A lot has been shouted about democracy. There is Parliamentary democracy with all its checks and balances, which has served us very well. Then there is the so called democracy of the referendum, or mob rule. If we had relied on referenda we should still have slavery, capital punishment, forcible repatriation of immigrants etc. This referendum was manipulated by much of the press and the arch Brexiteers who are enjoying their Empire building. I fear for this country and the civil unrest that will follow the unintended consequences of leaving the EU.

Sorry, Dee, we are no longer a democracy, then, when someone can be put on a plane with £12 in her pocket because she comes from a different country. She had a knock on the door and it wasn't a milkman.

I find myself agreeing with all of Cindersdad's measured and thoughtful comments. A 2 million margin between leave and remain was too close to say that 'the people' elected to leave the EU. Since June 2016, it has been revealed time and again how 'leave' was fundamentally a vote by those who felt disenfranchised and ignored and were misinformed. They wanted their voices to be heard but hadn't realistically considered the long-term outcomes of their decision. The lies, deceit and downright wrongdoings behind the scenes now being exposed should make the referendum invalid. A time to reflect and take stock is needed and the government should find the guts and integrity to put Brexit on hold and admit the whole process was seriously flawed.

Jalima, I put the link on here as it's to do with immigration. Reducing the number of immigrants was one of the reasons people gave for voting for Brexit. Just reminding people what that means.
Most of the hate after Brexit was directed at non-Europeans., jus people who looked foreign being told to get out of this country.

The reason there is going to be a campaign is because her sister in law started a justgiving page for her. That's not how justice should be carried out post- Brexit, through the kindness of strangers.

....and radicalnan no, we don't want that huge baby!

It's amazing how many people are all for democracy until the result isn't what they want. Yes, this is a major decision, but so is the result of a general election and you don't usually hear clamour for another go at voting. There is so much controversy so I might as well add to it. We are leaving a trade agreement - and if we are to believe what we are told there are countries eager to trade with us. The EU will trade with us; not on current terms obviously, but give our savings from exit we may well be no worse off - and have our sovereignty.

Good post DeeW

Rather like all ex's, the EU treated us with disdain and when we left, they feign surprise and regret. Just as in romance, going back is never successful and in the case of the EU, if we stayed, what would we be staying in? EU is all over the place now and my fear is, we would be left holding a huge political and financial baby.....best leave with some dignity intact and get on with our own lives.

There is always someone / something new out there, even if it is only yourself.

On a point of information, MissAdventure, the people didn't 'vote woth their feet', they voted at a ballot box. This illustrates perfectly the way the Brexit issue has been fought with misunderstood slogans.

djen thankyou for the link to the case of Irene Clennell (although I can't see what it has to do with Brexit as she is Singaporean).

Another arbitrary decision as I mentioned before, where rules are interpreted far too rigidly. I understand there will be a campaign to try to get her case looked at again and the decision reversed.

A democracy, remember? Can you imagine what it would be life if the rule of the (as quoted on the 23rd. June 2016) 'small man in the street', the real person who suffers, was overruled? We would no longer be a democracy. What could that lead to? I always remember reading a very interesting piece - what is the difference between a dictatorship and a democracy? The answer? In a democracy, when there's knock on your door at 4.00 a.m. in the morning, you know it's the milkman. The 'real' people of any country lay at the mercy of others. The 'real' people spoke. Isn't that what it is all about?

Read the rest, Ankers. It doesn't matter what I think, or what I accept. There will be many MPs who voted for article 50 when the majority of their constituents voted to remain. They are the ones who could lose their seats at the next election.
That possibly includes Theresa May, which could be why she does not want to call an early election.

The will of the people is the will of the people on the referendum day of those eligible to vote.

I really do think people need to move on from that.

Do you never in life, take a majority vote of something, and then accept it?

so 53:48 or 50.001 to 49.999 is still a MAJORITY vote. Tough cheddar.

The tautology " the will of the people" is utterly meaningless unless you include the whole of the UK.

I agree about Anna Soubry, Cindersdad. I was quite surprised.
When they talk about the will of the people, there must have been a lot of MPs went against their constituency vote, as the will of the people was only 52-48.

I think everyone is misunderstanding what is being suggested. Probably willfully so on Brexits part and spreading false news.

The argument goes like this

We voted to leave the EU - that argument is done and dusted.

We have now to turn our attention to what sort of UK we want once we finally leave Europe.

It is far too important to leave to a small coterie of government, who are not necessarily up to the job, nor should be expected to share such an enormous burden.

Parliament should be involved as far as is possible, to put its expertise and collective brain in planning our future. Where necessary votes should be made about certain aspects of the deal.

At the end of the process Parliament should be given a vote - this should not be a major thing providing Parliament has been involved throughout the process. It would also serve to give the final negotiation legitimacy.

It's called democracy and involves the will of the people.

"Project Fear" did influence me slightly to vote remain along with a majority on Merseyside. We've seen the £ fall by around 20% since June but to be honest I think that considering our underlying economy it was probably over valued anyway. The few I know who voted Leave gave different reasons. The most intelligent was because too much manufacturing went to Europe rather than the UK. Another Leaver applied for an Irish Passport, hypocrite. My brother-in-law because his friend told him to and my younger son said he found a reference to the EU messing about with pensions. One elderly lady who sadly passed away because she wanted to see Britain great again. There is a lot wrong with the EU but we are better able to contribute from within. After the French, Dutch and German elections the EU could look very different.

I also post sometimes on Buzz50 and when I hinted that TB could be right for once they just shouted about the "Will of the People" not giving a thought to the long term future.

I've written to my MP (who is fed up with me)about Brexit, PR and other things. He just follows the Whip no longer replies to my letters. I'm Saddened that Anna Soubery did not stick to her beliefs and join Ken Clarke in voting against triggering article 50.

Just to balance things out a bit, we've met people who've quietly said they voted to remain because they were afraid to do otherwise and if they were given another chance would vote Out. One couple actually believed the threat that we'd immediately be at war! Be careful what you wish for, a second referendum could well still be for Brexit. And what then? A third?

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/immigration-will-not-dramatically-fall-after-brexit-says-amber-rudd

Not going to get the fall in immigration that they want, according to Amber Rudd.

But this can still happen now.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/26/grandmother-deported-from-uk-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years

It's no wonder many Brexiters keep quiet about how they voted. Being accused of not knowing what they've done? Devastated?

Really??

ankers you really think relief is what they'll feel? I hope you are right because I think there will be alot of folk who are devastated when they realise what they've done ...and unlike the man I met in apub in the north of England just before Brexit vote ..who seemed to think he could vote leave and see how it went then change his mind if it didn;t work ...they'll finally see once its done..we're out and we wont be getting back in!!