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Brexit is it final??

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Cindersdad Sun 26-Feb-17 15:16:13

Like almost 16,000,000 I voted Remain and do respect the result of the referendum. However the whole exercise was so flawed and the long term effects as yet unknown that I feel Parliament and may be the people should have another chance when the final terms are known. Tony Blair (whom I can never forgive for Iraq) spoke many truths about Brexit particularly one at all costs. The situation in Europe is changing and we may be better off out of it but only time will tell and when it does Parliament should be free to vote and perhaps call the whole thing off.

MissAdventure Sun 26-Feb-17 15:30:47

It's what 'the people' voted for though.

merlotgran Sun 26-Feb-17 15:32:16

Another thread on Brexit?? hmm

Fill yer boots, political peeps!

Ana Sun 26-Feb-17 15:32:51


Cherrytree59 Sun 26-Feb-17 15:35:22

Yes it was what the people voted for and only time will tell.

MissAdventure Sun 26-Feb-17 15:39:05

I think to change it now would be the ultimate insult to democracy. People voted with their feet to express how disillusioned they are with things currently.

MawBroon Sun 26-Feb-17 15:43:38

Ooh, another referendum thread. smile
Another chance to discuss Brexit. hmm
Is there really anything left to say? confused

Welshwife Sun 26-Feb-17 16:39:25

Well - more and more disquieting things are emerging about how the campaigns were run. A fair contest is right and should be respected but not one which is dubious. I am sure the people who are interested in all this have read the articles about all this and have a good idea of the facts - but it does put the whole thing into doubt.

Ankers Sun 26-Feb-17 16:41:43

Well - more and more disquieting things are emerging about how the campaigns were run. A fair contest is right and should be respected but not one which is dubious

Is there any campaign that is not dubious in Britain now?
I cant say I can think of one.

rosesarered Sun 26-Feb-17 16:44:01

Not yet another thread saying we need another referendum ! Well, thankfully, there won't be.

MawBroon Sun 26-Feb-17 16:47:35

Can you itemise the dubious ones, then Ankers?

Cindersdad Sun 26-Feb-17 18:02:01

Sorry I should have used the Politics section.

However I can think of at least one other dubious referendum. The misinformation in the Electoral System change vote of 2011 when the government refused to allow the option of true PR and pumped out so many ads. pushing FPTP over STV. When anyone suggests we should consider PR they refer back to the 2011 result. Reason if ever we PR the days of majority parliaments elected by a minority are over, that The Establishment is terrified of.

Brexit was voted for by a small majority but many people were misled and more importantly circumstances have changed and will continue to change. I don't think another referendum would be a good idea but parliament should have a say on the final outcome if they think the result is not in the country's best interests.

MissAdventure Sun 26-Feb-17 18:22:35

Its never bothered them before if things aren't in the country's best interests!

durhamjen Sun 26-Feb-17 18:29:55

The man who wrote article 50 doesn't think it's final.

durhamjen Sun 26-Feb-17 18:30:57

Are you Theresa May's best friend, roses? How do you know there won't be?

GrandmaMoira Sun 26-Feb-17 18:43:35

We did not vote overwhelming for Brexit, it was not a nationwide vote for it. In my borough, the vote was 65% Remain. All across London and other cities and Scotland people voted to remain. Because of this and all the lies and confusion that has come out, I don't understand how Theresa May can say we voted for hard Brexit. Also I strongly believe that we vote in our MPs to make these decisions and act on our behalf. MPs should be debating it and not be tied to their party, as it is above party politics. Finally, I can't understand why Corbyn has banned the Labour MPs from acting as an opposition and told them to vote with Government.

NfkDumpling Sun 26-Feb-17 20:33:30

I rather think it's largely irrelevant now which way we voted. We have now announced to the world that we are leaving the European Union. And we now to announce we've changed our minds and would like to stay? Under what terms would that be? We'll have lost all respect in Europe and are likely to be walked all over as a soft indecisive touch. And of course, a second referendum may well not be a vote to remain. Many Brexiters have learnt that it's best to keep quiet. Me for one.

Deedaa Sun 26-Feb-17 21:06:03

It does seem that people voted for many different sorts of Brexit. I shall be interested to see some of the reactions when it is all settled. Whether the lady who wanted to leave because she wanted to be able to eat mushy peas with her fish and chips (I kid you not!) will get what she wants remains to be seen, likewise the many people I have heard looking forward to getting rid of the Asians. I think it will be horrendously expensive but the fall out may be fun.

Ankers Sun 26-Feb-17 21:58:34

I think most leavers will just sigh a huge sigh of relief.

paddyann Sun 26-Feb-17 22:26:10

ankers you really think relief is what they'll feel? I hope you are right because I think there will be alot of folk who are devastated when they realise what they've done ...and unlike the man I met in apub in the north of England just before Brexit vote ..who seemed to think he could vote leave and see how it went then change his mind if it didn;t work ...they'll finally see once its done..we're out and we wont be getting back in!!

merlotgran Sun 26-Feb-17 22:32:46

It's no wonder many Brexiters keep quiet about how they voted. Being accused of not knowing what they've done? Devastated?


durhamjen Mon 27-Feb-17 00:52:15

Not going to get the fall in immigration that they want, according to Amber Rudd.

But this can still happen now.

NfkDumpling Mon 27-Feb-17 06:25:57

Just to balance things out a bit, we've met people who've quietly said they voted to remain because they were afraid to do otherwise and if they were given another chance would vote Out. One couple actually believed the threat that we'd immediately be at war! Be careful what you wish for, a second referendum could well still be for Brexit. And what then? A third?

Cindersdad Mon 27-Feb-17 08:45:06

"Project Fear" did influence me slightly to vote remain along with a majority on Merseyside. We've seen the £ fall by around 20% since June but to be honest I think that considering our underlying economy it was probably over valued anyway. The few I know who voted Leave gave different reasons. The most intelligent was because too much manufacturing went to Europe rather than the UK. Another Leaver applied for an Irish Passport, hypocrite. My brother-in-law because his friend told him to and my younger son said he found a reference to the EU messing about with pensions. One elderly lady who sadly passed away because she wanted to see Britain great again. There is a lot wrong with the EU but we are better able to contribute from within. After the French, Dutch and German elections the EU could look very different.

I also post sometimes on Buzz50 and when I hinted that TB could be right for once they just shouted about the "Will of the People" not giving a thought to the long term future.

I've written to my MP (who is fed up with me)about Brexit, PR and other things. He just follows the Whip no longer replies to my letters. I'm Saddened that Anna Soubery did not stick to her beliefs and join Ken Clarke in voting against triggering article 50.

whitewave Mon 27-Feb-17 08:56:19

I think everyone is misunderstanding what is being suggested. Probably willfully so on Brexits part and spreading false news.

The argument goes like this

We voted to leave the EU - that argument is done and dusted.

We have now to turn our attention to what sort of UK we want once we finally leave Europe.

It is far too important to leave to a small coterie of government, who are not necessarily up to the job, nor should be expected to share such an enormous burden.

Parliament should be involved as far as is possible, to put its expertise and collective brain in planning our future. Where necessary votes should be made about certain aspects of the deal.

At the end of the process Parliament should be given a vote - this should not be a major thing providing Parliament has been involved throughout the process. It would also serve to give the final negotiation legitimacy.

It's called democracy and involves the will of the people.