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.. to be appalled by this news about Jacob Rees-Mogg on GMB today

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devongirl Wed 06-Sept-17 11:33:30

"Conservative MP Jacob Rees-Mogg says he is "completely opposed" to abortion, including in cases of rape or incest."

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 22:32:08

I didn't think it was that obscure but yes Jen, at least you got it - The Handmaid's Tale. It seemed a natural comparison as that was about the subjugation of women for breeding purposes. It frightened me in the 1980s when I first read it. It terrifies me now.

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 22:30:48

I nominate the mocking of the Holy Sacrament to be the most offensive and ignorant post ever , it matches the anti
Muslim chants we hear

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 22:23:06

Have all Londoners become Muslim now they have a Muslin mayor ?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 22:22:43

Strange thing to say

Not quite as strange as being led by men in dresses (and only men) who tell you that bread and wine, while they remain looking exactly like bread and wine become the body and blood of Christ which you are encouraged to consume Day6.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 22:18:05

Michael Foot when PM wore a donkey jacket. The public weren't obliged to wear them

You could hardly call a donkey jacket (if that was what it was) a principle Day6 and I have never heard of donkey jackets influencing the way people would vote or bring in laws.

Deedaa Wed 06-Sept-17 22:16:19

JRM may be a "Devout Catholic" but I suspect the Pope wouldn't agree with him in all instances.

Personally I think an abortion is an awful thing. But, having had a family friend whose girlfriend was dumped on his doorstep and bled to death after an illegal abortion, which she saw as her only choice, I would always want the option to be there for those who need it.

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 21:30:01

Christian bashing is acceptable , for some it seems their mission in life.

POGS Wed 06-Sept-17 21:26:12

This is another Tim Farron episode isn't it.

The voices that say ''He has every right to have an opinion, BUT'.. What does BUT mean?

It's the same rhetoric that surfaces when people say " Our MP's should be allowed to vote with their conscience ' BUT' only if they vote the way 'I' want them to .

Rees-Mogg has a Catholic faith and is prepared to stand up for what his faith ' means to him'. I am not surprised how this has turned him into the devil incarnate to some people, Lord knows we saw the same behaviour dished out to Tim Farron.

I watched the ' full ' Good Morning Britain interview where he was asked about his view on abortion. I don't agree with him but what gives me the right to tell another person they are wrong simply because they disagree with my view. The abuse some people receive such as Farron and Rees - Mogg on social media is tantamount to a hate crime at times for having a faith.

Do we want Parliamentarians that are only allowed to serve if they are atheist, and have no Hindu, Muslim, Christian etc. faith.

I thought his words at the end of the interview summed up my view on the subject of holding a faith.

"It's all very well to say we live in multicultural country until you are a christian , until you hold the traditional views of the Catholic Church. That seems to me to be fundamentally wrong, people are entitled to hold these views but also the democratic majority is entitled to have the laws of the land as they are".
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I also think he was correct when he said ' Mogmentum ' was part of the silly season.

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 21:26:05

I have to ask Jane , who is window poo girl?

Jane10 Wed 06-Sept-17 21:11:42

I was amused to read that 'window poo girl' is very relieved that Reese Mogg has taken over as top talking point!

Day6 Wed 06-Sept-17 21:01:53

GG So should JRM become leader of the far-right Tories we will now have our lives defined by a cult.

Strange thing to say.

Michael Foot when PM wore a donkey jacket. The public weren't obliged to wear them

Ted Heath PM went sailing. We weren't obliged to learn how to tie knots or dance a hornpipe.

Harold Wilson PM smoked a pipe. Cigarette smokers carried on smoking ciggies.

Theresa May goes to church. I haven't felt any pressure to do the same. Blair was a Catholic. He may well share JRM's beliefs but those issues didn't affect the electorate when he was PM.

JRM doesn't believe in abortion. He isn't likely to succeed TM now, but if he did, you know full well he wouldn't have the power to outlaw abortion or same sex marriage, nor would he attempt to.

You went for a bit of Tory bashing and Christian-bashing in one fell swoop Grace'sGran.

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 21:01:37

GG, you have promised that so many times , let's hope this time you can finally be successful , I wish you luck

durhamjen Wed 06-Sept-17 20:59:09

The survey was that more than half those surveyed said they had no religion, not that they were not Christian.

durhamjen Wed 06-Sept-17 20:56:52

Handmaid's Tale?

Baggs Wed 06-Sept-17 20:34:30

"red clocks"? Do you mean cloaks?

And why? JRM's taste in clothes isn't that old-fashioned, is it? He wears very twentieth century clothes in spite of his parliamentary nickname of "MP for the eighteenth century".

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 20:29:58

Ignore button firmly pressed AB

Baggs Wed 06-Sept-17 20:27:00

As the representative of his constituents, I'd agree with you, iam, but was he asked for his political stance or for his personal view?

I think many MPs who didn't personally approve of legalising abortion but whose constituents wanted it abstained when it came to the vote. I don't know if JRM has ever or would ever abstain from voting on issues that concern his personal religious beliefs, but it is an option.

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 20:13:50

Queenie is leader of a cult?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 20:09:22

cloaks not clocks of course

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 20:08:45

Why is that relevant AB? Is JRM a pacifist?

Anniebach Wed 06-Sept-17 20:02:09

So a pacifist should vote for war ?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Sept-17 19:35:11

So should JRM become leader of the far-right Tories we will now have our lives defined by a cult.

I think we should warn our daughters that red clocks and bonnets are on the way.

Day6 Wed 06-Sept-17 19:27:51

In the interests of fairness I'd like to see Piers Morgan ask a prominent Jew, a prominent Muslim and a prominent Hindu the same questions he asked JRM.

Do we feel differently about people in the public eye if they have a faith and beliefs we don't share? Should career prospects be blighted because of them?

Iam64 Wed 06-Sept-17 19:24:43

I have never met anyone, in my private or professional life, who used abortion as a method of contraception. For the vast majority of women, abortion is a last resort and very difficult experience.
JRM is of course entitled to his religious beliefs. Like all professionals though, he must put his religious beliefs to one side when he is at work. If he can't do that maybe he should leave politics - I'm not suggesting a politician can't have strong beliefs, there would be no point in a politician who didn't have a strong belief system. That is very different though, than imposing a religious belief on your constituents. I heard the interview. He clearly stated that even if the woman was young and the victim of incestuous rape, he'd expect her to continue the pregnancy. 'cruel and unusual punishment is my view on that.

Eloethan Wed 06-Sept-17 19:23:52

Sorry, I misread anniebach. However, even if we were to be correctly described as a "Christian country" my point still stands that in this day and age there are many interpretations as to how Christians should behave.