Free firty (3:30) - is this an accent or ignorant speak?

I taught my son to pronounce the th sound when he went to school. He pronounced it f or v depending upon where th was in a word. I had tolerated it up until then, but was determined that he should speak properly on entering education. We have a regional accent, but mispronounced letter sounds isn't part of it.

In a very rare bid to sound funny/clever or to try and impress the grandchildren, DH asked them "what they would all like for Trit-Mus"?

DGS (7) looked at him puzzled and said "granddad, Trit-Mus is what babies say.... its CCCCCCChriSSSTTTTMAs "

DH looked quite deflated.

Do you remember,fir'y fousand fevers on a frush?
Which then had to pronounced very slowly and correctly and repeated over and over.
I have a Derbyshire accent but f for th was never me.

Three thirty is pronounced free firty by some folk around London, but the posher ones say three thaahty. The Irish might say tree tirty, but most Scots would say three thirty.

He's looking for his damned slippers, TerriBull!

Words which end in g and the speaker doesn't pronounced it. Pretty Patel is soooo bad at that - double grrr!!!!!!

Sa-erday grrr!

Apart from anything else it sounds so babyish. I had to pull one of my sons up continually during his teen years for saying "fink" drove me mad Where's Professor Higgins when you need him?

I agree the sound of this 'lazy speech' is ugly but what worries me more is how swearing has become the norm especially the F word. My BIL a retired ex teacher told us his oldest son Fs all the time but we have to accept that's how young people speak!!!! I cant accept it and if said Nephew says it in my hearing he will get a Lady Bracknell type response!

I expect a lot of immigrants will learn the same kind of speech patterns too, given the areas where they live. It'll be everywhere, innit?

'fraid I'm a free firty gel an all grew up in Barking sowaddyamakeathatthen...translated
What do you make of that then.
In times of stress or great excitement,I revert to this way of speaking.

I am a teacher of linguistics. A language develops all the time. If people say "free firty", you´re not going to stop them saying it. Even the foreigners will have to get used to it. It may be that in the years to come, people won´t even know how it was said originally. Spoken English is such a fluid language, recently, I came across some recordings that the Germans made during WW1 with English-speaking prisoners of war. You´d be surprised, I could hardly understand them.

I think it is a lazy and ignorant way to speak and when I hear people talking this way I am afraid I stop listening.

I am not batting for Queen's English - I can't claim to speak it myself - and I am not in the least denigrating anyone whose local dialect supports these small linguistic anomalies, but they must not be promoted as a norm by institutions such as the BBC, otherwise how are children - and foreigners trying to get to grips with English - supposed to know how the language should sound?

I was brought up in a rather obscure part of England, the school teachers told us that our local accent was 'lazy' and our local dialect was 'wrong / ignorant'.

I have since lived in 3 other parts of England, each with distinct local accents, and another one with a dialect. Every time I heard exactly the same complaint 'Oh, other areas have nice accents, here it's just laziness'. One person, hearing me let slip a dialect word, told me 'oh the accent where you are from is so much nicer than here'.

I am now back on my own turf, and historians from the local university want to hear our accent and dialect (which I lost along the way in order to make myself understood by strangers)

So I realised, it'a a class thing,and now, when I slip back into my own accent, (it comes and goes!) it reminds me of family who loved and cared for me, and whose 'laziness' or 'ignorance' didn't stop them from being better educated and wiser than those who would put them down.

We are judged by how we speak. It's a society where class still counts. The Mayor of London doesn't pronounce "ing " properly. But he seems like a good guy.

So, much the same as anyone from any area, if they wanted to speak "the queen's English".
I'm hoping we are past all that.

I say "free firty" and I was born in "Walfamstow".
I would pronounce the "th" if I was a TV announcer though.
It's a local trait that needs a conscious effort to change.

I heard one of the contestants on this week's University Challenge introduce himself by saying he was studying for a Doc'trate in Maffs. ?‍♀️ My heart sank. You hear it so much these days that I find it hard to believe that that many people could have a speech impediment! We had a voice message on our surgery answerphone where a female voice is saying "we will be wiv you shortly". I noticed recently she has been replaced. I would prefer to think that such people did have speech impediments, rather than that they simply can't be arsed to treat our language with respect, and all want to sound like Nigel Kennedy.

I fink so too

I fink you're right!

Colloquial

Have taught so many children that 'Yes, we sometimes say ... but we need to write ...'

Its the normal way of speaking where I'm from, although I do try not to. I don't write that way though, so, not sure how it should be categorised.

Or a speech impediment. My sister and an aunt always had a discernible problem with pronouncing the letter 'r'

Just laziness I think.