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Aibu to want my son back? His fiancé has taken him from me

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FrillyGrill Wed 20-Dec-17 01:37:06

I have 3 sons (eldest 27, middle child 24, youngest 17) When my eldest son was 18 I moved from Britain to Australia, without him but with his other siblings. My son didn't want to go and my visa would have expired if I waited any longer.
So I made the choice to leave Britain. Regretfully our contact waned. Years later when my eldest was 26 I offered him the chance to come to Australia. By this time he had been in a relationship with someone, I'm not sure how long but I know they lived together for 12 months by this point.
He refused to leave her behind, so I put my support behind her too and 8 months later they arrived in Australia.
The plan was for them to stay with me while they found work then move out and live locally.
I found his girlfriend difficult to live with, she was clean and pleasant enough but she smoked a lot. She never did so in the house but I could always smell it on her. She was very forgetful and would forget to put things away after using them, I also found her very dependant on my son. Asking him things like "where's this got to? Have you seen x?" I wonder why she didn't look for herself. She seemed pretty useless. My son didn't seem happy. I started snapping a bit and there was an altercation with my Dh too.

He found a job, she didn't. But they could manage on one income and so they decided to move out. I'm very hurt that they did so without telling me. I went to work one day, as did Dh. My other son (16 at the time) was in the house at the time. They had a large cab turn up at 10am and were gone within 20 minutes. They initially had told me they were going to move out 3-4 days after the day they actually did. I also found out second hand that they are now engaged they didn't think it worthy to tell me. I haven't seen his fiancé since.

I saw him that night when he returned his house key but didn't see him again for another 2.5 months, he came over to get some post and we had a coffee. I invited him to barbecues and gatherings but there was always something else to be doing or he was working.
On his younger brothers 17th birthday he came around and stayed for about an hour, brought a card and a present, had a single drink then went home.
I have not seen him since. This was 5 months ago. He has stopped responding to my texts.
Our text contact all but died when I said well if your fiancé was so smart and great with words, she'd be employed by now surely? (This was in response to ds saying his fiancé would happily help youngest ds with his resume, as she was good at that and always knew what to say for the best)
Ds snapped at me and told me she does have a job (nobody had told me that so it was fair to assume she was still unemployed I think) and that my judgements about her were unwelcome. I stupidly also said that I see him less now than I did when he was in the uk.
He pointed out this was "horseshit" since I never bothered to visit. I wanted to visit its just such a long journey and I hate flying so much.

He stopped talking to me then. He hasn't spoken to me for almost 2 months now.

I later found out from middle son that eldest son and his fiancé were having a dispute with the letting agents with regards to some issues (floor damage, I believe) and might have to move. He also shared that eldest sons fiancé is pregnant.

I text eldest son asking where he was moving to. No response. I asked when she was due to give birth. No response.

I text again telling eldest son I was worried about him and invited him to live with me again until he sorted himself out, no response.
At this point he also stopped responding to middle sons contact.
Middle son went to eldest sons home. Eldest son was gone. Middle son contacted the letting agent they had moved out four days prior. Letting agents declined to share further info or forwarding address. Middle son then went to eldest sons work place and asked to speak to him. He was informed by the manager that he had left his job 7 days prior to that and they have no knowledge of where he has gone.

Middle son did speak to a friend/ex coworker of eldest son and friend did say he knows where he's gone but declined to share the information, stating only that he was still in Australia and is doing ok.

I know this is all because of his fiancé.
I just want my son back.
I've brought him (and his fiancé) across the world to have my son back and it seems that I've just lost him instead. I wish I hadn't bothered.
Aibu to just wish his fiancé would let me have my son back?
She has isolated him from everyone and I worry he is being abused by her.
He says he's happy but I don't think he is.
I don't know where he is - Australia is huge and I could drive for 20hrs in a straight line without stopping and still have another 40hrs of driving to do, without reaching the other end of Australia. He could be anywhere.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Dec-17 23:13:24

If they have got girl (or boy) friends they probably dare not say MawBroon!

holdingontometeeth Wed 20-Dec-17 23:39:52

I am undecided if this post is a wind-up.
If its not your behaviour is totally off-putting to say the least, condescending and critical of his then girlfriend and a viewpoint of little else but your own.
They are well rid of you, and hopefully enjoying their family life together to the full.

Jalima1108 Wed 20-Dec-17 23:45:28

FrillyGrill you say that your son got a job but his girlfriend did not when they arrived in Australia.

I am wondering what type of visas they came out on - did he gain permanent residency with the offer of a job and she came as his de facto partner - in which case she would not be allowed to work for the first few months?
I'd be interested to know.

WilmaKnickersfit Wed 20-Dec-17 23:55:48

GabriellaG damewithaname obviously had a problem with autotext, but the meaning of her post is clear enough.

Perhaps this is a windup. I wouldn't normally post on this kind of thread, but I couldn't help myself this time.

I don't agree with the old saying 'A son's a son', but I do think in general a daughter usually stays closer to her mother than a son.

BlueBelle Thu 21-Dec-17 04:28:38

The old saying about sons and wives is absolute nonsense just as many grans on here have estranged daughters
Alexa ‘it is too cruel nevertheless that he’s not in touch’ certainly implies the son is causing cruelty by his behaviour you then go on to suggest a way she might be able to find him through Sally Army or like, he obviously doesn’t want to be found and for a very good reason
The side kick off from this whole sad affair is the middle and eldest son s relationship is ruined too now

Solartie Thu 21-Dec-17 07:20:15

I can only echo what others have said.

If you want your Son in your life then you need to be supportive not critical and the word ‘sorry’ can go a long way.

Grandma70s Thu 21-Dec-17 07:27:18

I also wondered if the OP was a wind-up.

Fennel Thu 21-Dec-17 07:44:36

"I also wondered if the OP was a wind-up."
I admit I never read the whole post at first, but now having done that (shock) I agree.
Incredible.

BBbevan Thu 21-Dec-17 11:01:09

If it wasn't a 'wind up' then there is one sad, misguided lady. If it was then the same applies

IngeJones Thu 21-Dec-17 11:05:12

Her suffering is her suffering and we need to respect that. I think it might not be too late to say sorry - even if she doesn't believe she's in the wrong, it might be a means to an end if what she actually wants to achieve is to see her son and grandchildren. Sometimes (quite often actually) saying what we think is NOT the best thing to do.

Jaycee5 Thu 21-Dec-17 12:16:50

I think it probably is genuine. There are people who lack self awareness and I think most of us can look back to a time when we needed to be told things that we should have really been able to see for ourselves or when it took longer for the penny to drop than it should have done. I have people in my family who are not that different to this.
Having said that it is more believable if people respond to those who have taken the trouble to give an opinion even if not in the way wanted. Sometimes people want sympathy or validation and are angry or upset if they don't get it but I think that there has been some very helpful advice from a number of people here.
If it is genuine, then I hope that FrillyGrill is able to change her approach for the sake of all the boys and at least encourages a relationship between them without using them as go-betweens.

NannyTee Thu 21-Dec-17 13:29:29

This child will not sleep xx

NannyTee Thu 21-Dec-17 14:22:54

Sorry folks was texting my DD . My mistake. Shame blush

IngeJones Thu 21-Dec-17 14:33:44

Hahahaha NannyTee I wondered what cryptic comment you were trying to make there :D

NannyTee Thu 21-Dec-17 14:40:08

Can't believe I did that. I'm minding the munchkins haha

BlueBelle Thu 21-Dec-17 14:43:01

Haha that was funny I often send texts to wrong people I MUST MUST be more aware as I m always worried I might send something damning

NannyTee Thu 21-Dec-17 14:46:33

Yeah me too BlueBelle but on Gransnet??? shock

Jalima1108 Thu 21-Dec-17 15:27:31

NannyTee - hilarious tchgrin

Hope your DGC has nodded off now!

NannyTee Thu 21-Dec-17 16:33:48

She actually did haha. !

mrsmopp Thu 21-Dec-17 23:00:53

Without even reading the whole post or the replies, the title of your thread speaks volumes. Abu to want my son back, his fiancé has has taken hm from me?
He s not a piece of property that has been stolen from you! He s done what everyone does, he has grown up, fallen n love and got engaged to be marred. Perfectly normal! Can you not see that? What do you expect? You cannot possess your son for the rest of his life. He has grown up and high time you grew up as well.
You have brought ths on yourself . Sorry but true.

WilmaKnickersfit Thu 21-Dec-17 23:25:55

NannyTee tchgrin

Yes, those of you saying we should respect her suffering are right. Her feelings are what they are. It's her thoughts that are wonky.

Baggs Fri 22-Dec-17 06:01:08

What does "respect her suffering" mean? Acknowledge it? One can do that while criticising what appears to have been her behaviour towards her son. Making such criticisms does not mean that one hasn't acknowledged the suffering. It might means one has more sympathy for the son's suffering. It might mean nothing of the kind.

I don't think people should assume that those making criticisms aren't aware of the mother's suffering. They might feel some sympathy towards her; they might not. Without them specifically saying so everything from other people about their "respect" or lack of it for her suffering is speculation and, as such, as likely to be wrong as right.

The OP gives me the impression that the mother is a very controlling woman and that her adult son has done the most effective thing to escape his mother's control: walked away. The mother's suffering (learning the hard way) is the inevitable result. Ome wonders what she expected.

Blencathra Fri 22-Dec-17 06:23:01

The problem is shown in the title without reading the rest. He is a person, not property, so can't be 'stolen' or 'returned'.
The only way to solve it is to apologise and promise to change and mean it. Even so I think it is too soon at the moment- you may have to leave a long cooling off period. The damage may be too great to repair - but worth trying.

WilmaKnickersfit Fri 22-Dec-17 08:03:07

Yes, Baggs acknowledge it is all I mean. That doesn't change anything else I have written about the situation. I don't know about anybody else.

Iam64 Fri 22-Dec-17 08:21:13

I suspected this post wasn't genuine and feel reassured I'm not on my own.