Snow and school closures.

If the sarcasm was about being pregnant, you were the one who said your daughter can't change jobs because she is pregnant. It's obvious he can't have the same reason for not changing jobs, particularly if his employer is as awful as you imply.

The Union?
Can you point me in the direction of all these ( unskilled) jobs please ?

gilly You are quite right about changing jobs being difficult for many - our family member just cannot and it’s even harder with Tory legislation which means you now have to work for 2 years before you get employment rights plus you’d lose any accrued redundancy rights as well. Many workers are stuck with very few rights and even those they have, they are worried about trying to enforce because of the retaliation that employers use - our family member saw workers losing regular ( and necessary) overtime when they tried to enforce certain rights

Are you saying it would be easy/ sensible to change jobs at 32 weeks pregnant durhamjen? Regardless of how greedy and thoughtless her multinational employer is?

We understand the point you are trying to make Gilly but people are right when they say ‘that’s life’ - different jobs bring different pluses and minuses.

Teachers and other professional work long hours of unpaid overtime. Those on different contracts may lose out in some situations but they have no obligations/responsibility outside their working hours. When they clock-off, their time is their own.

And the issue of workers rights (or lack of them) is indeed a political one as so many have been deliberately eroded by successive right-wing governments.

My DD’s partner has told me some truly awful stories about his employers . Every one terrified to speak up .

No, gillybob.
When I said about changing jobs I did not know she was 32 weeks pregnant. That would be foolhardy.
However, your son in law could change his job if he is unhappy about his rights.

Do you support those Tory employment laws that maryeliza talks about, gillybob? Because you certainly don't support labour and the unions.

Why do you question unions?
You still haven't said whether there is a union in the large company where your son in law works.

I could fill pages with the dreadful experiences from our family member who is a hard worker ( never a day in his life unemployed) and a lovely partner and father. He is treated like absolute rubbish - he works shifts and even if a colleague would be willing to swop so he could go to a hospital appointment or a parents evening, his employers won’t allow it. He has fixed holidays when the factory closes and the only reason he gets paid holidays is because of the EU.

There is no recognised union . He is unskilled and would find it extremely hard to find alternative employment . They enforce ( unfair and unreasonable ) holidays, dock pay regularly, 20 minutes lunch break on 12 hour shift ( illegal) I could go on and on .

Sounds like he works for the same company as gillybob's daughter's partner!

He is extremely conscientious too maryeliza . It took him hours and hours to get to and from work in the snow ( then a 12 hour shift) and he was very worried And fearful of being late !

I wonder if they work for the same company ?

Could you not give him a job and train him?
You had a terrible apprentice, I seem to recall.

They have told him also that they do not recognise paternity leave/pay !

That's illegal.
What's the name of the company, so anyone else in the North East could tell their workers not to apply for jobs there.

They would be like that regardless of snow, etc.

We’re still stuck with him durhamjen 8 months to go ! He’s getting worse instead of better. great useless lump he is thinks he’s going to get amazing job when he’s qualified ! He wouldn’t last the day out.

We don’t have any unskilled workers and couldn’t afford a labourer or else I would .

There no way I’m going to name them on public forum . Nice try though .

I’m confused who is the useless lump?

Could be the same one as fitted our bathroom radiator

I’m confused too OldMeg . Our apprentice!

Fitted car parts to your bathroom radiator?

I’d like to see a thread nominating ‘’Useless Lumps’!

Here are the nominations for the worst UK companies to work for

great thread drift incidentally gillybob

Our apprentice would be top of the “useless lump” list !

The training provider ( who doesn’t provide training just takes his £2000 a year) has said he has a list of brilliant kids who would have give their eye teeth for the chance he has been given . I’m not sure we would do it again. Once bitten?

Where did the car parts come in?

Fitted car parts to your bathroom radiator?

He may have changed his area of expertise when he went to work for gillybob