Great Exhibition of the North- Tainted?

Are you saying that seeing a BAE trademark or whatever will make someone want to rush out and order some missiles or maybe a warship or two ?

When companies sponsor footbal clubs, you see their banners all round the grounds.
That's advertising. Even better when the match is on television.
The Great Exhibition of the North will be on television - good adverising for any company which promotes it.

Do you think it is sensible for the government to get £36 million from BAE systems in tax, then pay £139 million to Yemen in aid because BAE missiles have destroyed homes and killed more civilians than forces?

Sponsorship is tax deductible. Why do you think companies sponsor football clubs, formula 1 and just about every event you can imagine .

Oh no of course I don’t trisher . What a stupid insulting question.

Yes it's advertising - isn't it tax deductable as well?
Not close them down but certainly stop them supplying Saudi Arabia. Do you not care about the people in Yemen gillybob?

Well we give pens, rulers, key rings etc. Out to students ( who I’m pretty sure don’t want to buy from us). There is a difference . Anyway we are splitting hairs . BAE have pulled out their sponsorship of the event. Are you jumping for joy? Where next? Get them closed down ? Put thousands out of work?

Every ruler in my house has the name of a different builder on it.
I wouldn't have so many if my husband hadn't been an architect.
It's advertising.

Meaning of promotion-please note synonyms!
activity that supports or encourages a cause, venture, or aim.
"the promotion of cultural and racial diversity"
synonyms:encouragement, furtherance, furthering, advancement, assistance, aid, help, contribution to, fostering, boosting, stimulation, development; More
2.
the publicizing of a product, organization, or venture so as to increase sales or public awareness.
"a sales promotion company"
synonyms:advertising, publicity, marketing, selling, advertising/publicity campaign, propaganda, publicization;

No it isn’t, it is what as know in business as promotion .

www.artnotarms.uk

Why do you think the BBC would not allow product placement on programmes? It was so there could be no subliminal advertising on their programmes.
Seeing a bottle or can of Heinz anything would make other manufacturers of beans or sauces be aggrieved and take the BBC to court for advertising.
The name BAE would have been up all over the exhibition. Free notepads, free pens, and fridge magnets.
That isn't advertising, isn't it?

No it isn’t advertising, it is exactly as it states .... encouraging young people to consider a career in Engineering.

Advertising would be on the lines of “special today. Buy one get one free on all tanks “ .

In a statement, BAE said it was supporting the Great Exhibition of the North "as part of its commitment to address the UK skills shortage by encouraging more young people to consider science, technology, engineering and maths (STEM) careers".

Is that not advertising for BAE?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43258311

It isn't so much abut advertising as about trying to clean up their image, which has been a spectacular failure. Incidentally one of the exhibits in this event will be John Lennon's white piano. The one he played Imagine on "Imagine all the people living life in peace"
BAE really were not suitable funders.

Personal analogies are not really appropriate in a war situation. Would that it could be so easy.

Do you really think BAE need “cheap advertising “ Dj . I mean really ?

Let's bring the argument to a personal analogy. Suppose you had an aquaintance who you knew was violent,abusive and cruel. You were out with him when he picked a fight with someone, you then passed him a knife and he killed not only the man but his wife and children. You would be an accessory to murder and it wouldn' t be any sort of defence fo you to claim there were other people who could have handed him a knife. Supplying the means of killing is as bad as doing the killing.

It is so easy to be noble about this, the IRA used arms yet Corbyn supported them.

Do we condemn those who work in breweries etc , alcohol is one of the two main reasons for people sleeping on the streets

Isn't Saudi supporting the government of Yemen fighting against what they consider to be terrorist Houthi's supported by Iran?
If ISIS (or other) became a credible disruptive force within UK wouldn't we hope for external help as Europe did not long ago?
All wars are horrendous but many reasons for them are not clear cut.

I too signed before I saw this thread.
I find the argument that others will sell the arms if we don't, is quite unacceptable but note that it's a line TM is using.
I also hope that no poster has to see family members working in the arms industry.
It's disingenuous to say the responsibility is with those whose deploy the arms - much the same as Trump and the NRA saying that guns don't kill!

Well said gilly, perceptive posts.
@dj All they wanted was a bit of cheap advertising
DH and I laughed out loud and then we realised OMG this woman thinks she is making a serious statement.

gillybob an excellent post from you, although the prolific petition signers out there don’t even think further than their own noses.

I have no idea where this company is based, is it in an area of high unemployment ?

Didn't take long for BAE to give in anyway.
All they wanted was a bit of cheap advertising.
Unfortunately it was turning out negative advertising, so they've done the decent thing.

Tell me, gillybob, do you give money to charities asking for help for the children of the Yemen, those children that are being killed and injured by BAE weapons?

Let’s remember that BAE systems are only one of the many companies who manufacture arms to sell all over the world.

Let’s petition for them to close their UK facility down eh? Would that suit? I’m sure there are several USA companies just dying to take their order book. Let’s put thousands out of work while we’re at it. Hope none of our children or grandchildren work for them (directly or indirectly).

How a company can be made morally responsible for what their customers do with what they buy is beyond me. What about the arms used by our own military in Afghanistan, Iraq etc.?

It is the Saudi morals we should be judging not those of BAE (UK) .

Come on who shall we close down next?