Is Jeremy Corbyn holding the Labour back?

I would absolutely love to know how zero hours contracts benefit carers. I have direct experience of this and it is an awful system. The carers are in competition with each other for the hours. So it is in their best interests to keep the office staff sweet. They do this by accepting more challenging work, even though they aren't trained and cutting corners. I can give specific examples.

& as a graduate zero hours sick cover got me a foot in in a sector which is otherwise reserved for rich kids who can do unpaid internships!

I agree that they shouldn't replace permanent contracts, and when they do that's bad. But zero hours are not fundamentally bad. When used right they facilitate social mobility & make it easier for women to return to their careers after children.

I work with an older disabled lady who has a zero hours contract. It allows her to work as much or as little as she can manage. And if she needs a break from work she can take one.

When they are used properly they are great.

Scapegoating them will do harm. They need to be managed better but not totally vilified

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Yes notanan I agree with you . My DD worked her way through uni on zero hour contracts that fit in with her studies . It suited her lifestyle at the time. The problem arises when unscrupulous employers use these contracts in such a way that the employee never knows from one day to the next if/when they will be getting work . How could anyone on such a never never contract ( if you can even call it a contract) ever get a mortgage, rent a flat, but a car or anything else that requires a steady income ?

Zero hour contracts benefit young mothers, carers, and the semi retired. Corbyn is not so concerned with women though....
They are problematic mainly for childfree young people and, well, men who would rather a full time contract.

I see how they can be problematic when used instead of permanent full time contracts. But please dont throw the baby out with the dishwater (and throw mothers/carers/older women under a bus to gain favour with young childfree male voters!!)

Zero hours contracts kept me in flexible work with an updated CV when my kids were little allowing me to easily slip back into full time contract work when they were older.

Zero hours contracts are great.
Their missuse / abuse is the problem, not their existance.

I have never used zero hour contracts

Me neither grannygravy

I see Matthew Goodwin also claims 47% of labour supporters
Have not heard of John McDonald

Of course they won’t have ....... I mean he’s just a band member he’s not the heart-throb lead singer

Matthew Goodwin predicted in 2017 labour would not reach 38% of the votes , wrong wasn’t he

GrannyGravy asks a question and you Maizie who so wants discussions dismisses the question with - that’s a fine bit of whataboutery’ . A discussion?

What is there to 'discuss'? It was just an attempt to have a go at the LP for apparent hypocrisy. Dog whistle remark, really.

Though I don't suppose you noticed that I did pass an opinion on the point she was making.

I see Matthew Goodwin also claims 47% of labour supporters
Have not heard of John McDonald

Yes

Annie. You are not addressing my question (or the question frequently asked by others).

There was an interesting thread on twitter the other day asking 'Is Corbynomics popular?' The writer looked at poll results on questions about such things as support for the NHS. The results show that the UK population is more supportive of Labour proposals than not.

It's all here:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1044522554860457984.html

The question is, regardless of who leads the LP, do posters here agree with the conclusions or not?

GrannyGravy asks a question and you Maizie who so wants discussions dismisses the question with - that’s a fine bit of whataboutery’ . A discussion?

MawBroon, I agree with your post, I am just not a fan of hypocrisy from political parties, I know it comes from both sides, so,I am not blinkered.

I am an employer, I choose under what conditions I employ people, I am not in government.

I have never used zero hour contracts.

And yes, MaizieD perhaps the LP should either have refused to hold their conference under those conditions or employed the staff directly .
However, from DD’s days of university holiday waitressing at the likes of the Grand Prix at Silverstone, it is a recognised form of casual labour (no pun intended) and not universally abhorred.

Oh Maw, ?

Those of you here supporting JC and particularly his policy on zero hours contracts. I would be interested in what you think of the employment of cleaners, bar staff, waitresses etc for the conference who were all the on zero hour contracts

I think it is a very valid piece of whataboutery and would welcome, in particular Grandad’s comments as he has been very vocal on this matter recently.
Why is it “valid” ? Surely an example of the LP needing to practise what it preaches?

With the large number attending the conference they could have asked for volunteers to do the cleaning, waitressing etc.

I'd say that that's a fine bit of 'whataboutery', GG13. The Labour Party is not in a position to do anything about the current position of those employed at the conference. they are not in government. Or would you have liked them to have refused to hold their conference in a venue where such terms and conditions don't apply?

Exactly Annie so much so that I would never bother trying to engage with them.End of.

I am going to put my head above the parapet!!!

Those of you here supporting JC and particularly his policy on zero hours contracts. I would be interested in what you think of the employment of cleaners, bar staff, waitresses etc for the conference who were all the on zero hour contracts!!!

So wrong Maizie, any discussion with the far left here would involved an epistle on unions, accusations of lying about which party one is a member of , no critcism of Corbyn allowed, any question on his promises brings ‘ its costed ‘

The far left do not discuss , some lecture, some make personal comments and never fail to bring up a labour government of 1945 but dismiss the 1983 election as ‘in the past’ , there can be no discussion when one section want to control it.

So what policies do you want to discuss then lemongrove?

You're a bit opimistic aren't you, OldMeg? You should know by now that lemon never does 'discuss'. Her forte is yapping out dog whistle words like 'leftie', 'communist', trotskyite, marxist, and a nice line in agreeing with other critics. In fact, none of the anti-Corbyn group 'do' discuss, despite many atttempts to get them to. They know what they don't like but are incapable of articulating what they would like.