Is a vegetarian diet that hard a concept to understand?

I knew it! tunnock's tea cakes that is.
I remember saying to a vegan friend how it must be difficult to put on weight on her diet.
Really? She reminded me that sugar, nuts including coconut milk, oil, avocados, bananas, rice, potatoes, chocolate ......... all vegan.

Animal derived gelatine in sweets can be a puzzle for vegetarians. It is in Haribo products, Bassetts all sorts, most wine gums, and marshmallows unless you can find a vegetarian alternative. At least it makes me think twice before eating too much sweet stuff. I think Tunnock's teacakes are ok!

Everyone has to draw their own line in the sand. I’m not in favour of trying to catch people out by pointing out where they have fallen from their own (often assumed by others) self imposed standards. It’s not about trying to be superior to someone else and their dietary choices, it’s about trying to live by ones own beliefs.

To suggest that vegetarians are inflexible or inconsiderate because they will not serve meat to guests is just silly; you might as well say you enjoy eating dog and expect your host to cater for your tastes.

Flexitarians are omnivores with pretensions,

That's me told then.

One of my customers in M&S got very cross with me when she asked if we used vegetarian cheese. I pointed out that no ordinary cheese is vegetarian, because even if they don't use rennet many bull calves will have died to produce the milk. She threw her sandwich at me and walked out.

A holiday in France a few years back with some omnivore friends. We ate out most evenings and asked the restaurants in advance if there was a provision for vegetarians. Most were welcoming and accommodating, proudly serving me a special dish.
However, there was one where we couldn't book who were rather rude. We sat at a laid table and when I mentioned the V word the owner took my plates away. Seriously! For the sake of the others, I stayed there and persuaded him that bread, cheese, salad and wine would be fine, he relented.
He even said the vegetable soup had meat stock. At least I think that's what he was saying.

Nothing wrong with being a strict vegi Titan (I m a very un-strict one) but the dictatorial and rather superior tone to your posts wouldn’t put you on my Guest list ? very good that places like Wetherspoons have given you the choice to eat out and that you have lots of lovely friends who must be very accommodating if you talk to them like you just spoke on here perhaps you have a softer side in real life

Whilst Titian is correct (my parents had a friend who was a very old-fashioned strict vegetarian) many people these days are more flexible.
That means that people who don't understand the finer points (and I agree, that's quite a lot of us) get confused. A lot of 'vegetarians' don't check out the wine and so most of us think 'oh, they drink wine'. And a lot of people mistakenly think cheese is made without rennet these days.
I am fairly on the ball, but got muddled between pecorino and parmesan once and gave a vegetarian the wrong one. Fortunately she was forgiving and pleasant about it, saying it can be difficult to remember; promoting her cause much better than if she had been exasperated by me!
I agree that you should speak to the host/ess and say 'I'm actually quite a strict vegetarian, could I just check.....' And I would also say to take your own wine as it is usually unclear as to whether isinglass has been used (I think it isn't used much now, but not easy to know)

I think flexitarian is a silly word, used by people trying to bamboozle others.

Flexitarians are omnivores with pretensions, all that omnivore means is that you eat animal products as well as vegetables. It doesn't mean that you eat meat based products at every meal, or every day or even every month, it just means you do eat it now and again and have no objections to it be included in your diet.

apparently anything pollinated by bees is not strictly vegan.

My cousin is a very strict vegan. Must say she looks well on it. She always says ‘don’t worry about me I’ll just have the vegetables’. I serve her first before adding any butter etc to them. I feel guilty but she’s quite happy munching away and it does mean I always have a extra-wide selection of veg to feed everyone.

I would be very nervous inviting you for dinner.
Missfoodlove me too.

Not because of the difficulty with food but because of the way the OP is written! I'm afraid, Titian that you sound quite demanding and rude about your friends, not at all like someone I would welcome round for dinner.

I've catered for vegetarians, coeliacs, lactose intolerants, pescatarians but not yet a vegan.
I would probably ask a vegan in advance to bring something for themselves as I'[d hate to serve them a pea, a bean which may have just been pollinated by a bee.

Clarity is everything is spot on. Most omnivores would not know about rennet and isinglass. Some vegetarians are stricter than others.

If I’m told I can always substitute a vegetarian cheese in a dish as an example. I agree that chicken stock cubes in a soup for a vegetarian guest is just Not On.

Reminds me of Gran from The Royle Family asking whether a vegetarian visitor could eat ‘wafer thin ham’.
Apologies for bringing the tone down, but couldn’t resist!

Well said Elegran that does grate a bit with me that most ( not all) vegetarians expect their host to accommodate their needs but do not reciprocate.

My sister in law gave me dinner once,knowing I’m a veggie. She gaily told me that the lettuce soup I was eating was made with chicken stock, and wondered why I stopped eating it! I try not to be too prescriptive when eating with friends and I have been known to remove strips of bacon off the top of a stew as the Spanish don’t seem to think of bacon as meat! However I do think boasting of using chicken stock to a veggie is thoughtless.

Clarity is everything I'm vegetarian but not as strict as some . I.e about rennet or isingglass. I probably should not even call myself a veggie!
I once hosted a family of refugees for a Sunday . I was told they were vegetarian and staying at a nearby barracks they had no access to cooking facilities.
I prepared afternoon tea. They politely declined my scones etc. Through broken English it emerged they were vegan. Slightly in despair, I asked if they would like to help me to cook a meal.
It turned out to be a brainwave. The woman had previously cooked for 10 back home.
I gave her free run of my kitchen and a couple of hours later we sat down to the best Asian food I have ever tasted. 9 dishes at least all from the contents of my kitchen!
We never saw the family again as they were moved but I hope they settled somewhere and are still cooking.

Better to stick to those places, then, and refuse all invitations to well-meaning friends who try to accommodate you but may not quite manage. Even better, have a pleasant conversation with them about the details of your preferred diet as soon as you are invited to be a guest in their house.

Do you go to a lot of trouble to cook them meat dishes or things containing milk products when they eat at yours, or do you expect them to follow your rules? Or do you just not invite them as you and they are so incompatible That would be the simplest answer. Perhaps they too will come to feel that is so.

'Flexitarian' simply means the emphasis of the meal is on the vegetables and not meat or fish. Most meals are stand alone vegetarian dishes but meat or fish can be added.

Not cobblers at all - just a sensible way of eating a balanced diet.

Titian is right, not rigid at all. A vegetarian does not eat anything that either is, or contains a product from a dead animal. So rennet is out, and Parmesan cheese is always made using rennet. Some supermarkets produce hard cheeses that are vegetarian but if a recipe called specifically for parmesan it is not vegetarian. Same for wine, unless you know it is suitable for vegetarians it probably isn’t. That doesn’t make those objecting vegan.

Many vegetarians I know will bend their own rules a bit if eating at a friends house, for the sake of politeness. But if eating out or following a recipe, definitely not. Simple really.

I'm not a vegan at all! I do eat eggs and vegetarian cheese. A lot of you have clearly missed my point here. I do clearly tell people my dietary restrictions beforehand in an open manner and have been met with comments like "I used a chicken stock cube in the stew, I hope that's OK", "I cooked the roast potatoes in the beef fat because I prefer them that way and I thought that you wouldn't mind", "I thought you were joking about the parmesan / pesto!". As for flexitarians, I have never heard such cobblers. You're omnivores! I am normal and don't need to be treated with kid gloves. I don't just eat with people who follow the same diet as me. I eat out a lot at places with my meat eating friends at places such as Meat Liquor, Wetherspoons, Pizza Express, etc and they have all wholeheartedly and unfailingly embraced what it is to provide food suitable for a vegetarian diet without treating me as if I'm weird.

Read Anja's post, Titian. You clearly follow a vegan diet so you can't expect your stricter rules to apply to vegetarians.

We're flexitarians because we grow a lot of fruit and vegetables so some of our meals might also be suitable for vegans.

You sound very judgemental.

titian, the simplest, and by far the most courteous thing to do when invited round by friends is ring them up, explain how strictly you stick to vegetarian standards and discuss the meal they plan so that you can explain any problems you may have.

It is what anyone with an allergy does and it causes no ill feeling. I would be very irritated by anyone who turned up at my house with their food in a bag. My instant reaction would be:'How ill-mannered, why didn't he/she ring me beforehand and explain the issues.

Several members of my family have quite extensive allergies and other friends have been on strict diets for a range of reasons. They have always rung me up explained the problem and I have sorted it.

We celebrated our 50th wedding anniversary last year with a house party for 15, including a celebratory meal. Our party included three vegetarians, one person allergic to nuts and salmon, another, with an auto-immune disease and allergic to nuts, soya and fresh fruit, plus someone with IBS. I worked with my caterer and, except for separate main courses for the vegetarians, the starter and dessert could be eaten by everybody. Every night we had a buffet cold meal and that too provided food for everybody.

It can be done if the person concerned enables it by talking to their host/ess

Most people will cater for special diets if informed beforehand. The recipes the OP is reading on GN states quite clearly what ingredients are used, so no-one is trying to sneak one over in her.

Stop being so stroppy and choose a recipe that aligns with your own regime, and better still add some of your own. Sounds like you’re just out to bang a drum.

Usually cheeses do say if rennet or other animal products are used.