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Retirees bombarding our beautiful rural seaside area

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Specs Sun 14-Apr-19 00:09:07

Okay,I think I am going to get bashed. Sorry folks who have retired to their holiday paradise land.
Our area is predominantly rural, with few large employers generating good incomes and thus pension pots are often low. But the big bonuses are beautiful scenery, beaches, no huge roads, friendly people and very little crime. Many of us are related, have long working relationships with each other, our children went to school together, we have kept local traditions going, supported countryside sports, football, rowing etc. In other words we have deep understanding and ties with each other and the land. We know the skeletons in our neighbours cupboards and that also bonds us.
But our lives have changed rapidly in recent years. There has always been a trickle of retirees. They have been welcomed and in their turn they have enriched our local community. Now virtually every time a house is sold it goes to an outsider. Often a cash buyer with a bigger pot of gold who can move quickly unlike the local person who cannot proceed with such speed.
Just like the icecaps our indigenous community is melting away because of the flood of retirees. Not only does it affect us as individuals, it affects our schools, sports clubs, our doctors surgery, our care of the elderly services etc.
Committees are often taken over by well meaning and well educated folk who have excessive time on their hands. Local knowledge is often not present anymore. Whenever a local entrepreneur wants to develop a business or a building project goes before planning there is a tremendous hue and cry. The new comers fight it with a vengeance. NIMBY. Social housing, so long as it isn’t next to the incomers.
Why do people retire to an area they have little connection with? Why do they in later years leave their friends and connections behind? Friends are quite different from acquaintances.

GrandmaPam Mon 15-Apr-19 08:56:44

...clicked before I had finished! I agree with the comments from those who are so sanctimonious about their area, where they are all inter-related bla bla bla. People can live wherever they like - what a world we would live in if nobody moved around! Also, agree with the person who says; don't blame the buyers - it's the seller's choice who they sell to!

Teetime Mon 15-Apr-19 09:01:40

I was dismayed to hear my SIL born and bred in Liverpool and lived there for 60 years now relocated in a Dorset village call some new people to the village 'incomers'- some people have no insight! By the way is there any room left in Dorset everyone on Escape to the Country seems to go there?

I read an article but cant find the reference for you sadly that some people who relocate to the country find they cant adjust and go back to a town with amenities. We did just that from Wensleydale (where we were called bloody Londoners sometimes in our hearing from people who had relocated there from Stockton on Tees!!) to a small Leicestershire market town where we seem to be accepted although not included.

JohnD Mon 15-Apr-19 09:56:08

Like the Lake District. Locally bred families are priced out of local homes.

pipdog Mon 15-Apr-19 10:15:09

notanan2 I understand everything you have said as this has happened to a lesser extent where we lived in 2 different places. It isn't that the villages didn't like most of the people that moved in just that they moved and brought their old way of life with them and didn't try to change. City living is totally different to countryside village life. For a start things evolve more slowly so although we don't mind change it happens at a very slow pace. Twice we have had to prove that we could fit in and we moved for one village to another, the last one only a few miles away and we already knew a few people that lived there! By doing things slowly and not taking over we have been welcomed and are now part of the village and are asked if we are going to the coffee mornings etc. I was asked to join the rota for the village charity shop as they knew I would take things slowly and learn how everything is run and not try and change things.

newgran2019 Mon 15-Apr-19 10:39:42

We, who are not wealthy but are educated and well-meaningsmile, moved here from a city four years ago when both still working, and have done our best to get involved in the church and community without 'telling anyone how to run things'. Maybe it helps that my husband's mother was from the area and we have lots of family here, so we aren't total 'incomers'.

Our 'village' is having a development of 900-odd houses stuck on the edge of it, as usual with inadequate provision of infrastructure such as roads to the station, bus services, new health centre, post office, etc. These houses all cost £280,000 or above so I doubt that local young people will be able to afford them. There was meant to be a proportion of 'affordable homes' but this was cut because the costs of the road junction improvement grew too high, or so the developers say. I know the country needs new homes, but huge developments in rural areas with few jobs (so most will commute by car) doesn't seem the best solution. And it's ruining my country view (yes, I've become a NIMBY!).

Nonnie Mon 15-Apr-19 10:59:29

Janipat Did you actually read my post? I didn't say it was typical of Londoners, I asked if it was and you have not answered my question? I really hope your judgemental attitude is not typical of them.

Yes, he has lived in London all his life but not in the same place so not the same neighbours. I didn't blame anyone, you made that assumption of blame but then you were judgemental so it must be something you feel a need to do. I know this person so I know what he is like and you are so wrong! He is very smiley and friendly and I'm absolutely sure he not only smiles at people but is helpful and friendly. However, he is not one of those insular Londoners who think the civilised world stops at the M25. Yes, I've worked in London and know what I'm talking about. I worked with a lot of Europeans, some who had lived in other parts of the UK and they experienced the same insularity from some Londoners. I said 'some' so please take note and I would ask you not to twist what I have said.

Nonnie Mon 15-Apr-19 11:02:29

Danni sorry if I upset you because I didn't phrase it as well as I might. It was a personal comment to the poster who had been so unkind about my friend. It was a question not a statement and, having worked in London, I know some are lovely and some not so lovely.

SueDonim Mon 15-Apr-19 11:08:11

Callistemon, Dh's great-great-grandfather was Scottish. He left as a young man and never went back but maybe that means we're not beyond the pale after all in Scotland!

I'll join you in the Lake District, I love it there. I must go to Beatrix Potter's house, though - it's a compulsory trip for us every time we stay in the Lakes. grin

Nonnie Mon 15-Apr-19 11:13:20

Gaggi I know its not the whole solution but many housing associations give priority to key workers and they come top of the list when a property is available for shared ownership.

Nonnie Mon 15-Apr-19 11:21:20

If travel broadens the mind surely meeting people who come from other places does the same?

Grampie Mon 15-Apr-19 12:01:18

Scotland has a freedom to roam law. But there are exceptions to this freedom:

www.scotways.com/faq/law-on-statutory-access-rights/230-where-do-access-rights-not-apply

Signs may be necessary in certain places. And they’ll probably be written in English.

So it is easy to see how one sign could be misused by someone to further justify their hatred of the English.

Easy but reprehensible.

Day6 Mon 15-Apr-19 12:28:50

This naughty old Gran has to keep her joints working.

Hmmm. A bit of padding to authenticate a realistic ID?

Forgive my cynicism. A 'Gran' despising other Grandparents who dare move into her area?

Still, hope you got the responses you were looking for.

MawBroonsback Mon 15-Apr-19 13:24:51

hmmhmm indeed Day 6
Anybody got any idea why retired people moving into an area should ”affect schools”, by the way ? (As OP seems to think)

Nonnie Mon 15-Apr-19 13:35:37

Maw perhaps because they don't have school age children and therefore roll numbers are less than if someone younger lived in the home?

pipdog Mon 15-Apr-19 13:36:53

MawBroonsback I presume they affect the schools by buying the houses so that families can't buy them so the number of children get less and in my case some of the newcomers joined every committee going and changed the dynamics of the village and not for the better. City ways don't always fit in a village!

Lily65 Mon 15-Apr-19 13:42:47

Welcome to GN, Ms. Back.

The old people will all want to use the school for their U3A madness? possibly?

MandyRaff Mon 15-Apr-19 14:18:39

Do you live in Royston Vasey? Lol wink

janipat Mon 15-Apr-19 15:08:12

Nonnie I'd say Londoners, who comprise people from all over this country and around the world are a mixed bunch just like any other region. I'm sorry you judged me so judgemental, perhaps I could have been gentler, but I read your comment that he had never met his neighbours as a criticism of them, when we know that it takes both to make the effort. Too often London comes under criticism for "nobody talks to you" type of comment. And to further answer your accusation that I had never lived in a flat, the first house I ever lived in was as a married woman, but you felt happy to judge me on that assumption of yours. I think I'll stay off Gransnet for a while.

crystaltipps Mon 15-Apr-19 15:09:43

I’m wondering what are these “city ways” that will offend rural dwellers? Might be helpful to know so we don’t offend.

Callistemon Mon 15-Apr-19 15:10:57

The old people will all want to use the school for their U3A madness? possibly?
We usually use rooms at leisure centres, village halls, meeting rooms etc which would otherwise be empty for most of the time therefore not bringing in an income.
We like to think it keeps them going grin

Callistemon Mon 15-Apr-19 15:11:46

Are you saying it is wrong for old people to get together, to keep their brains working, their bodies mobile, Lily65? confused

Callistemon Mon 15-Apr-19 15:13:33

We stayed somewhere a few doors away from Beatrix Potter's house, SueDonim, there is a lovely walk near there up to a tarn but I can't remember its name.

Callistemon Mon 15-Apr-19 15:25:59

I’m wondering what are these “city ways” that will offend rural dwellers? Might be helpful to know so we don’t offend.
Well, crystaltipps where shall I start wink
Don't move into a house near the village church then moan about the bells ringing.
Don't complain to the farmer/neighbour/whoever owns a cockerel that it wakes you too early and you want it put down
Don't buy a house near the village school then complain about parents' parking or children shouting in the playground
Don't try turning the cosy country pub into a trendy bistro-type eaterie
or the quaint tea rooms into an upmarket coffee shop
Don't take over the village committees/gardening club etc and try to change everything
Don't moan about tractors driving slowly along the road
Or muck spreading in the next field

And DO NOT buy the largest house on the edge of the village then start a campaign to stop anyone else building homes for locals.

Apart from that, enjoy rural life.
grin

lemongrove Mon 15-Apr-19 15:30:40

Callistemon we may have stayed in the same holiday home!
In ‘Near Sawrey’ opposite the Beatrix Potter house, and we had some lovely walks from the door there.?

lemongrove Mon 15-Apr-19 15:34:22

When we lived in Devon, we tried to fit in and were accepted and loved living there.
A couple who moved in nearby ( a very small village) were also incomers, and enthusiastic, they joined committees and were too ‘forward’ which engendered some dark mutterings, so although it’s good to offer to help, the best advice is not to give the impression that you are taking over.