To be stressed by climate change

Pamela- Varian is right- it all is packaged together. Some of us are really upset and stressed about it all- not for ourselves, most of us here won't see the worst of it. But I love our grandchildren so much, and nature in all its forms- and are really upset that our generation has benefited from so much and are responsible for what happens next. The 'B' word for me is all about the rise of the far right all over the world, and in Europe - it goes far far beyond just 'B' or no 'B'.

^ I don’t suppose there are many on GN who would say “I would willingly give up having grandchildren in order to save the planet” even those who are worried about the planet their grandchildren will inherit.^

That is not our choice to make, anyway.

I believe in the Gaia theory that the earth has a way of regulating itself
I am going to research that starbird, as I am curious about the periods of warming and freezing that has been a feature of the earth over the years.

Interesting that Emma Thomson has named her daughter Gaia - is that a sign of optimism that the earth will self-regulate?

Pamela do you have a list of items that are made with unsustainable palm oil?
I do know that some palm oil is sourced sustainably.

Callistemon- no I don’t but I do read the ingredient list of all the food and products that I buy. It does add to the time it takes to shop! The products using sustainable palm oil state that fact, at least I suppose they do, I don’t even buy them. Why on earth would one need palm oil in garlic bread or crumble mix?
I told a friend who called in today to stop his engine whilst we chatted, he did and then asked why! I don’t understand why he didn’t know. A huge percentage of our population seem to be able to avoid all the difficult information out there.
Jura- global warming will affect the rest of the world, not just Europe. We all have to work together. If only we could and are prepared to.

What worries me too (but I try not to stress about it) is that one of the super volcanoes may erupt, eg the one in Yellowstone Park - which would cause a global catastrophe causing global chilling and failure of crops and worldwide famine.

Why on earth would one need palm oil in garlic bread or crumble mix?
Goodness knows. One would assume it is bread, butter, garlic and herbs.
I have never bought crumble mix but I have bought garlic bread whereas I used to make my own.

Palm oil! In everything from biscuits to soap. And yes, this is relevant to climate change as the rainforests they destroy are the lungs of the planet and soak up vast amounts of CO2.

I’m sure people would buy palm oil free food and cosmetics if they were given the choice.

My soap is palm oil free from Neal’s Yard ...very nice try it.

Buy a breadmaker, then you know what’s in it...and no plastic wrapping.

Biscuits...Sainsbury’s do a very nice ‘all butter’ range.

There’s a few tips to get palm oil virgins started.

Any more tips gratefully received.

We may be able to slow things up a bit, but we will not stop the inevitable.

To the OP....only you know if you feel you are being unreasonable to be stressed by this matter.
I don’t think anyone should be stressed by it ( doesn’t mean that you can’t think about it, worry about it a bit and do your own best for the planet.)

Bridgeit sadly you are correct, there is simply not the will.

I suppose the decrease in births, makes up for the increase in births, a bit.

I agree with the law of 1 kid only. It's not fair on future generations to be destroying the planet. They will have to live through the decrease in resources, IF they live through it, and billions of people might not have the ability to have kids of their own because it will destroy the planet further, leaving no resources for themselves. but I suppose that will happen closer to ''the end'', if that even exists.

My soap is palm oil free from Neal’s Yard ...very nice try it.
I really like the Neal's Yard products but I don't think that most people can afford to buy them at about £8 or £9 for a bar of soap - I hope to get some as a present though.

My OH will hate me for saying this, but why oh why is motor racing still allowed to continue? Cars drive round and round in circles burning vast quantities of fossil fuels for no purpose other than to see who can stick it out the longest and beat other drivers by a few milliseconds. Then they pack all the cars and equipment up and ship or fly them across the world to repeat it somewhere else!

Anna, we often see comments in the ‘news/politics’ section about food banks, the poor, the homeless and so on. Neals Yard is extremely expensive, do you honestly think most of the population could actually afford it?

I don't think that most people can afford to buy them at about £8 or £9 for a bar of soap

Just so, Callistemon. For those of us with a more modest budget, who'd prefer to support a small company, these soaps are every bit as environment friendly, and also very nice. Just over £2 a bar. I've recommended the Friendly company's shampoo bars on another thread. I'm not connected to the makers, honestly. Just very impressed by their products as well as their commitment and ethics.

www.friendlysoap.co.uk/product-category/soaps/

Just had a quick check, Neals Yard soap is selling on Amazon for £8.75 for one block of soap.
Just saying.

The green movement is, like Marxism, another political movement which seeks to control its followers by brainwashing them. I am not so fearful of climate change as I am of eco terrorism which, I can see from posts and comments above, has already recruited from what the Marxists used to call ‘ useful idiots’.

How is the forceful prevention of ordinary, hardworking, taxpaying citizens from pursuing their livelihoods and living their lives in London anything but a semi and sometimes downright criminal act?

I realise that this view is not going to be popular but I can assure readers that I am well informed on the issue and that if one distinguishes between primary science and sources and green political agitation the message that ‘our planet is dying’ is largely hype to be followed by a clampdown on the rights and freedoms we currently enjoy.

First of all the bars of soap I buy at Neal’s Yard are £6.50 in their shops so let’s get our facts straight and secondly, like everything else in this world, demand drives availability.

When more people start demanding palm oil free soap, as one example, then the big companies will start producing cheap ones.

Lilyflower where on earth do you get that odd idea from. The Green Movement is like Marxism ? I think you have been brainwashed. As someone whose first degree was in Environmental Science I assure you that your ideas are totally bonkers and you have been reeled in by some weird little political group.

PS thanks for that link Maggiemaybe it’s always helpful to find these friendly sites.

Lilflower , well said.
Emma Thompson flying in laughing at the idea of going economy when asked by the reporter!
It’s all too contrived for me too.
We can all do our bit and the rest is education for boys and girls.

When someone sneers at another poster who was just sharing her enjoyment in using a quality soap it reminds me of the inverted snobbery depicted in the famous Monty Python sketch - you know the one where they all compete for who had the most miserable, deprived childhood and who lived in the deepest, darkest pothole in the road with umpteen other people.

Climate change is the Really Big Issue here not petty sniping about someone else's soap.

Lilyflower, I agree (although I’m whispering it!). I hate waste, having been raised by a mother who lived through WW11. I reuse, recycle as much as I can. I never travel abroad, unlike Dame Emma Thomson, who’d ‘Just flown in from Los Angeles.’ I’m very concerned when I hear about 10 year old children worrying about climate change. Is it any wonder there are so many young, sometimes very young, people/children suffering from mental health problems. It’s a bandwagon unfortunately and people are easily persuaded to jump on them. Next year there’ll be another one.

Blimey who on earth could afford to pay £8-£9 for a bar of soap? I would expect to cook 2-3 midweek meals for that !

We should all move here:
(from an article in the NYT)

Mother Nature’s Got Nothing On Duluth: A Harvard University climate adaptation expert provides reasons why people in the future should consider moving to Duluth, Minnesota, “the most climate-proof city in America,” to escape the inevitable extreme heat and rising sea levels that will make places like Miami, Florida and New Orleans, Louisiana uninhabitable. Even with global warming the region around the Great Lakes will remain relatively cool. By 2080, even with somewhat high concentrations of carbon dioxide emissions, Duluth’s climate is expected to shift to something like that of Toledo, Ohio, with summer highs maxing out in the mid-80s Fahrenheit. Cooler temperatures mean a reduced risk of wildfires compared to the West and Southwest. And being inland means it’s mostly protected from the effects of sea level rise. Overall, considering Duluth’s cold temperatures, abundance of fresh water from Lake Superior, and industrial infrastructure, it’s the ideal climate refuge.

We should all be worried but There's a limit to how many worries we can have at any one time.
My old nana used to say she had a worry a week.
The climate protests are necessary and important to wake people up to the crisis.
Marching and shouting are no longer my way of protesting but I can and should do other things and hopefully set an example to others that you can enjoy a holiday that doesn't include flying or driving. That you still can shop in independent shops and not use the giant supermarkets all the time and grow our own veg and flowers.
Life is a balance though and who wants to be a spoilsport.