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GP to be investigated by the GMC

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Alima Sat 25-May-19 09:05:30

Subtle use of the word “blanket” there maryeliza.

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 09:04:35

The consultation in this case anyway concerned the health of a child

BlueBelle Sat 25-May-19 09:03:09

Muslim woman would have a female doctor
The medical problem was the small child not the lady herself
Why didn’t the doctor ask her to speak up or tell her he couldn’t understand her there is absolutely no need to ask her to remove her veil otherwise how do these women get on in shops or banks or any other daily transaction
When I lived in HK I was in bed in hospital next to Gurkha women Anniebach there was no special treatment (except they were as strong as their husband and seemed totally fearless)

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 09:00:55

I’m still not getting your point ab. How is the issue of veil wearing women and consultations ( assuming there even is a real issue) solved by a blanket acceptance of not having one to one consultations?

Anniebach Sat 25-May-19 08:53:46

Because maryeliza our GP’s and hospitals respect our Gurkha community and respect the fact that ‘one to one’
consultations are not acceptable for them.

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 08:47:06

ab why are you advocating that? Or is your tongue firmly in your cheek?

Anniebach Sat 25-May-19 08:41:03

Perhaps female Muslim women should like the wives of Gurkhas never have a one to one consultation

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 08:28:05

The investigation of the case will hopefully determine whether his alleged behaviour was reasonable or not.

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 08:26:55

I’m not discussing the merits of this particular case as we have only one version of what happened. The husband apparently complained to the hospital and they decided to refer the doctor. This case is being whipped up and we all know why.

TerriBull Sat 25-May-19 08:19:40

OK Marye maybe you have a point regarding this particular case. Nevertheless I don't think it's unreasonable to ask women in a one to one consultation to remove her veil for audible clarity. If I remember rightly Jack Straw would ask his veil wearing female constituents to do that very thing at his surgeries when he was an MP.

Beckett Sat 25-May-19 08:16:23

As I understand it the woman did not complain - either at the time or later - it was her husband who lodged the complaint (who wasn't at the consultation). My sympathies are with the GP - I wonder what would have happened if he had said he was unable to treat the child because he didn't have full information

BlueBelle Sat 25-May-19 08:14:42

But there is no need for her to remove her veil to be heard he should just ask her to speak up if everyone speaking to a a Muslim lady asked them to remove their veil there wouldn’t be much point in them wearing them
sounds as if there is more to this than showing in that short preview

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 08:06:56

But Terri don’t you see that your OP didn’t really say that? FWIW I think the GP has rather thrown his toys out of the pram by going to the press and I’m quite concerned by his behaviour ie his reaction. We are only getting his side of the story really and as it was in fact the hospital that referred him there may be more to this than we are being told. Hospitals don’t refer lightly as it’s a lot of work once they do. I have no idea what normally happens in consultations with veil wearing women but given the current climate, either side could be mischief making.

TerriBull Sat 25-May-19 07:55:45

Yes marye I can see a protocol has to be followed. Unfortunately in this case the GP is so pissed off he may well throw in the towel. Maybe a solution could be put in place to head off this nonsense, whereby veil wearing women may be asked to remove their veils in consultations if their speech is muffled by it

maryeliza54 Sat 25-May-19 07:40:40

If someone makes a complaint to the GMC they , like the police, have to investigate it. It does not mean that the matter will go any further. We shouldn’t confuse following due process with the merits of the case.

TerriBull Sat 25-May-19 07:36:19

Is it not madness for the GMC to investigate a well respected GP, following a complaint from a female Muslim patient. The patient had brought her young child to the surgery with a sore throat, the doctor respectfully asked her to remove her veil as her voice was muffled underneath it and he couldn't fully understand what she was saying? This doctor may now resign rather than undergo such an investigation, can the NHS afford to lose a good GP when we have such a dire shortage anyway?