Greta Thunberg, Amazing or not.?

Making all cars electric would make a huge difference to global warming.

Monica the 'anti' posts on here come across as very mean minded. Sorry but there is no getting away from the fact.

Perhaps it is the type of person attracted to a forum like GN. ie giving them a chance to air quickly googled knowledge, and to come across as the most superior being in the universe.

Not to mention the opportunity to verbally bully a sixteen year old.

I was horrified by Fox News and Mr Trmp’s offensive attacks on GT. I share the unease that her parents may not have been wise in helping her into a world stage.
Are they so different though, than parents of children with special gifts who do their best to encourage their children to succeed. Artists, musicians, ballerinas, actors for example. So many who hit peak success too young struggle later in life.

Bridgeit, 15.43 your post implied that I did not know what I was posting about regarding autism, 15.49 I replied to you.
15.54 you are asking yet again "what I am trying to express"

I have no idea what answer you want?

But Gonegirl where is all this extra electricity going to come from ? Where are we all to charge these vehicles ? Shall all existing cars be scrapped and worthless ? How environmentally friendly would that be ? Where and how will we scrap the batteries when they run out ? This really has not been thought through .

I've already said. The manufacturers need to press on with working on it. The government need to put money into it. XR want to speed things up.

Do not even think of putting a tidal barrier on the Severn. It is an important protected conservation area. The harm to birds and wildlife would be unacceptable. They need to concentrate on the cars and "Fairtrade" cobalt.

Throughout our human history,it has been a cat & mouse situation with knock on effects for each new invention each catastrophe, every climatical change.
But now that we have the knowledge to foresee the affects of what we do today & what will slow down or speed up the end of life as we know it ,anyone whoever they maybe who can bring this to our attention & focus our efforts to slow it down should in my opinion be applauded, what ever their age & despite being on a ‘Spectrum’ or a disposition that displease some folks, over & out leave you all to it.

MOnica I was pretty shocked too. It isn't my DC who are in their 30s and 40s and have their own little children.

These teenagers are very intelligent, clued up, young people from a highly academic family.
I don't think any of us are as awake as we think we are.
That was my point.

Well said. Totally agree

Making all cars electric would make a huge difference to global warming.

No, it wouldn't. I quote from one of the articles Katek referred to:
electric vehicles have a concerning supply chain. Cobalt, a key component of the lithium-ion batteries in electric cars, is linked to reports of child labour. The nickel used in those same batteries is toxic to extract from the ground. And there are environmental concerns and land use conflicts connected with lithium mining in countries like Tibet and Bolivia.

The elements used in battery production are finite and in limited supply. This makes it impossible to electrify all of the world’s transport with current battery technology. Meanwhile, there is still no environmentally safe way of recycling lithium-ion batteries.

While electric cars produce no exhaust, there is concern about fine particle emissions. Electric cars are often heavier than conventional cars, and heavier vehicles are often accompanied by higher levels of non-exhaust emissions. The large torque of electric vehicles further adds to the fine dust problem, as it causes greater tyre wear and dispersion of dust particles.

To which should be added that for the forseeable future the electricity used in these cars will be generated by gas-fired power plants and it has been estimated that the extra energy used in manufacturing these electric cars and their batteries is the equivalent of running a petrol engined car for 100,000 miles.

Electric cars are the solution in highly polluted areas because it moves the pollution elsewhere, but otherwise they are very nearly as polluting as ordinary cards.

This may change, but not in the immediate future.

Monica a large part of our business is batteries and I totally agree with your post.

@Gillybob

But you’re happy that your grandchildren are calling another child whose known to have a disability a wierdo

Bridgeitt

I thought I did state what I hoped she would say........I wished she would name some of the powerful people and those that have influence.
I also wished she would tell young people to stop leaving plastic rubbish behind.....nothing too vague there or am I deluding myself?
Anyway I have my own disabilities and I join in the best I can manage.
Your remark seems to me to be a bit rude and silly. and sarcastic
Why does what I wrote bother you? would be my question to you?

Her breakdown yesterday was shocking to see. Had she been my child I'd have whisked her away

Yes, Oopsminty, it was distressing to witness.

I don't find her amazing. Knowing she is on the autism spectrum I think she has become blinkered and emotional, She is articulate and not afraid to address large audiences. I am sure her words are heartfelt, but she has, imo, created a massive bandwagon of rather hysterical "It's all about meeeeee" teenagers. The planet belongs to us all. As long as we breathe, we all have a future. We all have a responsibility to look after the environment whether we are six or ninety six.

We are all aware of the dangers to the planet and most of us do our bit to be green and stop pollution. I find her promotion to world saviour rather distasteful and I wish her parents would protect her from further exposure.

She is obsessed; she is single minded;intense focus on one subject; she will not listen to any point of view apart from her own; she gets angry when ignored or when people make points she disagrees with; difficulties with responding in social situations ( hence the anger at Trump) , she can't regulate emotions; really she is being driven by her autism

I agree, and thank you Loislovesstewie for explaining so well the way Greta functions.

I find her exposure quite cruel and damaging - for her. She is so obviously wound-up and distressed, and totally and utterly absorbed by the subject matter, (an autistic trait) yet she is being encouraged to go and get angry on every world stage. It's awful.

Unless Greta can persuade the world leaders to cut down on 90% of the human population, who are using up the planet's natural resources at a rate whereby they cannot be replenished quickly enough, and at the same time persuade the sun not to influence the Earth's climate, she is wasting her time.

Message deleted by Gransnet. While we welcome different views and opinions we felt this particular post was quite mean-spirited and a personal attack on Greta, rather than her ideas.

It's a known fact that solar panels are not the savers of electricity that they were purported to be and as for 'eco friendly' cars and vans...exactly what does that mean. Meanwhile, what happened to the old vehicles you replaced? Buying new vehicles is not helping to save the planet, quite the opposite. How much energy was expended in making all the components for each of 3 vehicles together with the shipping of parts and final transportation of the finished autos?
Not the good idea it might, at first, seem.

David Attenborough full of praise for Ms Thunberg.

the sullen ugliness of her hatred showed in the curl of her lip, the eyebrows jutted, her left eye squinted at the audience daring them to think differently

How can this possibly be acceptable?

It isn’t grapefruit but one has to ask if that particular posters comments are ever truly credible.

I have come to the conclusion that they aren’t, so I can happily ignore them.

Yes, I heard David Attenborough praising her on the Today Programme Whitewave. He certainly thinks a lot of her.

May I just mention that all cars have to find their way to the scrapyard eventually. Did you not realise Gabriella?

Gonegirl our work vehicles were only 3 years old, but Sadiq Kahn brought in his ULEZ (ultra low emissions zone) so we were forced into buying new ones.

Old vans were not scrapped but sold on.

Momof3

Firstly. My DGC have not /did not call GT a weirdo.
Secondly it was me who (way back in this thread) referred to her as a weirdo for which I have since apologised .

I think maybe you should check your facts before trying to start an argument .

Gonegirl we have to make vans last a long time . We look after them very well and have them regularly serviced . We ( like most other small businesses) have to think long and hard before buying a new one. We also work country wide and wonder how many hours of the day we would spend editing for a vehicle to charge and how many hours work we would actually achieve ? Ok so technology may improve but as it stands it is not up to scratch .

It's interesting how GT comes across to different people, but we have to remember she is only one of many many.
I interview budding youngsters for places at top educational establishments and for the past five years or so their main concerns have commendably focused on climate change and the environment. Lately however so many of them just seem to be trotting out rehearsed platitudes in an over passionate voice which starts to wear thin. At times it's almost as though they're copying GT's mannerisms and frankly the content of the message is only of secondary importance. Her team needs perhaps to ensure that her over exposure and her mass following amongst youngsters does not start to irritate people and have a negative effect.

Think it’s at that tipping point already Ellianne