AIBU to wonder whether people take th NHS for granted?

They are usually bought by the ‘Friends’ of the hospital who fundraiser. All hospital electrical equipment is regularly checked and a label stuck on to say it is safe.

I do agree about waste; I have worked in the NHS for 35 years and have seen so much waste I could cry. I have an idea that everyone who works in the NHS (on every level from cleaners to top professors) should be asked to come up with at least one money saving idea and/or ideas to stop wastage.

Our sons, when they were going through teens and heavily into rollerblades and skateboards managed to do themselves a mischief a couple of times and ended up on crutches on the odd occasion. Once they were mobile again we duly took these back to our local cottage hospital from whence they came. A doctor friend of my husband who is half Pakistani told us that they often don't get used again. From time to time he arranged for consignments of such aids to be shipped to Pakistan where they were used.

I recently got a new walker with wheels and a basket , one friend was amazed that I had bought it locally and not on prescription .
My previous one was given me by a cousin who didn’t need it , and he had bought it
So much will not be taken back by the Hospital , I was given crutches by the Physio ,after my hip operation even though I had some at home , she wouldn’t sign me off unless I took them ,
Then they wouldn’t accept them back , so it is not the patients fault in a lot of cases

If I had to pay for my prescriptions I'd be well and truly ripped off because 2 items that I know of are " 10 a penny ". I'd pay the going rate but not above and beyond what they cost.

Some people do, certainly. Had a friend who would stockpile a mass of free prescription items - only to have them thrown away - over and over, He was very comfortably off but very tight with money, and I'm sure that if he'd had to pay even £2 or £3 per item, he'd never have taken so many items he didn't need.
And I'm sure he's not the only one. Personally I think that better off pensioners should have to pay something for prescriptions. A Swedish friend tells me that in Sweden everybody pays, albeit a small amount - with an annual cap for those who need a lot.

As for generally taking the NHS for granted, I'm reminded of the time my sister, who lives in the US, had a very badly cut finger.
I said, 'Well, at least you're covered by your health insurance.'
(She was paying about $800 a month for self and daughter.)

She said, 'You're joking - there was a $2000 excess.'

And we just go down to A & E.

Doodledog the sum was probably arrived at by adding up all the costs of the whole premises in which the physiotherapist works (heat, light, water rate, receptionist, cleaners, nightwatchmen, maintenance and repairs, phone bills etc, plus the rent or the building costs of the building itself), then dividing that by the number of people holding appointments there and the hours that it is used. Add the salary and the costs of employing the qualified professional (the costs of an employee add up to almost their salary over again), and insurance against malpractice or accidents.

You would probably be amazed at how much an hour of their time is really worth - £160 could be a low figure.

On a slightly different note, I am having physiotherapy for arthritis, and I get at least three texts before each appointment, reminding me to attend, and pointing out that every missed appointment costs the NHS £160.

Now I quite agree that patients should attend appointments, and I would never just miss a commitment of any kind; but I really don't know how the figure of £160 is arrived at. I'm sure that physios don't earn that kind of money, and most of them use GP surgeries, which are already heated, cleaned etc, so those oncosts won't apply.

I would attend even if the appointments were zero cost; but can anyone explain how a missed appointment is so expensive, please?

So much waste all round! A large proportion (30 - 50%) of prescribed medicines are either not taken, or not used correctly:

www.england.nhs.uk/medicines/medicines-optimisation/

Are doctors sometimes inclined to prescribe something (unnecessarily) just to meet patients' expectations?

www.england.nhs.uk/medicines/items-which-should-not-be-routinely-prescribed/

I had a GP appointment this week and we were talking about the problems of unused medication, (apologies to whoever was waiting forages to see him after me) I told him about the massive bag of assorted drugs I had to take back to the pharmacy after DH died. There was quite a selection because a lot of them were prescribed for side effects which might or might not happen. He said that even people like Medicin sans Frontiers won't take unopened drugs incase they've been tampered with. Our local pharmacy always orders my repeat prescription for me, but when I pick the meds up every month they ask me which ones I need the following month.

Hope you will all consider signing and sharing my petition and many thanks if you have done so. I sincerely think together we can make a difference. Not a case of complain, blame, shame - just a matter of let us roll up our sleeves and get something done.

First time poster - I work in a big teaching hospital and you are quite right the waste is unbelievable and a lot of it is a) because it’s invisible money and b) health and safety gone mad - for instance sandwiches in the ward fridge on their sell by date (not eat by)are binned - not passed over to a charity for the rough sleepers because somebody might get ill and sue.
After the listeria crisis all the fridges were thrown away (not even trying to sell them) not because there was anything wrong but because they decided it would be safer to have industrial fridges but there was a hiatus between taking the old fridge out and the new fridge arriving so no milk available
And please don’t get me started on the number of staff on “long term sick” who we actually know have very little wrong with them but because it’s the NHS really take liberties - it just wouldn’t happen in a private company
And instead of asking if anybody would like to work a few extra hours a job will be advertised at less than 10 hours per week with all the additional costs that that entails - just a few examples of the top of my head

I've noticed NHS Scotland advertiisng for the return of mobility aids and things used in the home that are no longer needed .I thought people always handed things back.I know ehn I broke my foot and had crutches I couldn't wait to see the back of the bloomin things,so they were handed in asap.

Agree entirely, signed. Good luck with the petition.

Totally agree, NHS saves millions but doesn't save small amounts.

Where we used to live our pharmacist would order all our meds when they became due. Where we now live they have stopped that and save a lot of money.

I was taking 100mg of my meds 5 days a week and 1 x 25 mg + 50 mg twice a week. I asked if it would be just as effective if I changed to 50mg once a week and 100 mg the rest. They were amazed and said no one else thought about small savings.

I was recently given a hip appointment at the hospital but by the time it came I had tried resting it instead of working through it so cancelled the appointment in order to save all the scans, physio etc. It is still not right but has improved.

If we all looked for minor savings I am sure it would it would help but I think the NHS has a lot to do itself. Anyone know why there are TVs in hospital waiting rooms? They have to be regularly electrically tested even if they were gifts.

I think that waste is a huge problem, Rivernana, which needs to be addressed.

Repeat prescriptions which are not needed result in people stockpiling medicines which they do not need and do not take.
Equipment which is not recycled etc.

This is such a serious issue, all power to your elbow.

I order DH’s repeat prescriptions online and noticed last time I did it that all repeat prescriptions not collected within 2 weeks will be destroyed. There can be no justification for this.

Year I have done as much as I can to publicise it and am trying to find a balance between being a pest and yet pushing something I feel very strongly about. Am still plodding on and have printed a paper version for people who don't use computers to sign. The newspapers I have approached so far are not interested. Apologies not needed - any ideas very welcome thanks! I will ask the local libraries and my Church as well. GPs don't want to get involved and Pharmacies are very wary.

Have you publicised it, rivernana ? Facebook and other social media sites spread petitions through peope sharing it with friends and passing it on. Newspaper articles draw attention to it, you could ask at GP sugeries, churches, community hubs, libraries and so on to be allowed to put up a poster. Apologies if you have already done this.