Empathy for Our Queen? ( As a Mother)

Being a bit picky, on all these royal threads we keep reading about the Civil List. This was done away with back in 2012 by George Osborne, I believe. Replaced by the Sovereign Grant or something similar. I think the only ones on the CL for some time back had been HM, the D of E and the QM when she was alive. I think HM has to pay back a certain amount to the Exchequer, and she pays the other members of the RF herself, not Charles, William and Harry, theirs is from the Duchy of Cornwall. HM also gets income from Duchy of Lancaster, not sure why.

The Civil List was replaced by the Sovereign Grant some years ago ( and vastly increased HM’s income) nice in times of austerity. I think she pays him £250k from this. As he won’t be earning this now ( if he ever did) she could donate the sum to one of the charities dealing with human trafficking

PA does not get a penny from the Civil List, he is given an allowance from the Queen, so day to day, he costs us nothing. However, he was able to claim travel expenses, when performing Royal duties and did use more expensive forms of transport than was necessary. Thus 'Air Miles Andy', He has never endeared himself to the general public and flaunts his privileged position. He is arrogant and this has come about by the indulgence of his mother. However, I do have sympathy for HMQ. It must be very upsetting when one of your children turns out to be such a disappointment.
I do wonder what PA's protection officers were doing whilst he was, allegedly, having sex with the 17 year old. They would have been aware of anything untoward or they hadn't been doing their job properly.

I do have sympathy for her but he knew what he was doing was wrong . Andrew thought he could hide behind the cloak of the royal family and get away with it . He has brought disgrace upon the royal family and the queen should of put damage limitations in progress sooner . He should never be allowed to do royal duties again and should never be given another penny from the royals . If he wants to act like a low life , go out earn his own money .

I think all her children have been a disappointment to her. When she dies, she will not be replaced by someone of the same calibre. However, at least Prince Charles, Princess Anne and Prince William take their obligations seriously, unlike a certain young man with ginger hair, who is more concerned with his own personal agenda than royal duties.

I think Andrew has diplomatic immunity

Chardy they did not go to Australia for six months , they did
a royal tour of Australia after she became queen ,she is their queen to, and was there 58 days. The tour had been planned for her father but he died.

Do read up on that tour, would you take two little ones on that tour ?

feel sad she has devoted her whole life to us, and her family are acting like the cast of shameless, a lot of these so called royals need to get less cash, and grow up

Summerlove. Not sure we have found out what kind of man PA is, yet! Still ongoing investigation. Of course PA could work in the Embassy and claim diplomatic immunity.

I feel for her as a mother even though you aren't responsible for your adult children you still feel to their actions but if it weren't a royal nobody would be talking about it and built hasn't been proven

GrandTante said 'The Queen and the Duke of Edinburgh were responsible for bringing their children up'. They went off to Australia for 6 months when Charles and Anne were young, leaving them to the nanny, the Queen Mother and Princess Margaret. Bearing in mind that we all know how to spoil our grandchildren, I find that an odd scenario.
The eldest 3 do all seem pretty arrogant, and unconnected to the real world, possibly because they were brought up as if in a bygone era, and ditto Andrew's children. Only Zara, Peter, William and Harry seem to belong in 21st century. (Edward's children aren't adult enough to count)

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I'm definitely not a royalist, however the queen is after all a mother, grandmother etc as well as being a simple human. She must be pained by Andrew's antics and also pained by the lack of understanding for H&M. Not to feel sympathy for her pain shows a lack of humanity of those who cannot try to understand.

So ...he has stood down from public duties. Does this mean his salary from the civil list won't be paid or will he just have more free time to spend it? Yes, we do support our children as best we can and it is hard on the Queen but let's face it I would rather be trying to sort out family problems in fantastic palaces around the world, surrounded by staff that wait on me hand and foot, oh and let's not forget the diamonds, expensive clothes and all the other nice things that go with the job. If she gets too distraught she can always get her stamp collection out and reminisce - oh and that's worth millions too..

What a judgemental lot you are. Look at the people around you, are they all perfect, are you? I know he's a member of the royal family and I do admire and respect the queen but 'he who casts the first stone' etc. etc. The queen is a realist, she hasn't lived this long not to understand the frailties of the human race.

Merlot have you already forgotten Camillagate?
She was once the evil other woman in the fairytale marriage. How short are public memories.
She has had an image transformation remake but some people will take a bit longer to accept adultery.
We are still paying their bills.

I think if it was your child/children in trouble, you would do everything you could to support them. That does not mean condoning their actions; it means helping them to cope with the chaos their actions have created.
I have a friend whose son- in-law committed a terrible offence for which he was imprisoned. Neither she nor her daughter (ex-wife) made any attempt to excuse what he did, (they couldn't understand it themselves) but they gave financial and moral support as far as they were able. He lost everything as a result of his actions; marriage, children, career and home with no prospect of retrieving them. Victim compensation wasn't an issue.
Don't condemn the Queen for supporting her son; equally, don't pity her.
And for goodness' sake, stop this witch-hunt.

Rather harsh Craftycat,
Charles seems to have redeemed himself and done a lot of good after his arranged marriage fell apart.

Andrew, yes, I agree.

Edward quietly gets on with the public duties he has taken over from his mother, as does his wife.

Craftycat
With you 100%.

I have sympathy for the queen. Regardless of her status she will have the feelings many mothers identify with from the actions of their own childrenI cannot however feel any sympathy for Charles, as one GN claims to have, how ,?on looking at what he and Camilla subjected not only his mother but two innocent young boys.
By his actions,make no mistake,could have affected the whole country had it brought down what was a centuries old monarchy.

I've always felt sorry for the Queen. Both her older sons are a waste of space & I rarely hear about the youngest one.
Now Princess Anne is a different matter- I have a lot of respect for her,
Luckliy her eldest Grandson seems to have his head screwed on OK- I thought the younger one did until he married that American woman!

I have the greatest respect for our Queen. Yes she has money and privilege but works so hard and no retirement. The spare to the heir is always the awkward one with no proper role. Never liked Andrew....arrogant and thinks the law doesnt apply to him. So yes i feel sorry for the Queen and his daughters. I also feel for Fergie as i believe the business scandal was sanctioned or even advised by Andrew himself.

Yes I do feel sorry for the Queen.

Now most of us, I am sure, bring up our children to the best of our ability to be decent law abiding citizens. But are we really still responsible for our children's behaviour when they are in their 40s, 50s and 60s and have lived their adult lives away from us? Sorry but I don't think we are so I think it is unfair to blame the Queen for the behaviour of PA. He is a very weak man who thinks only of himself.

Charles had a lot of personal problems and it's only really in the last 10 years he has restored his dignity and his emotional equilibrium

Since he’s been with Camilla it seems!

Regards HM the Queen, I do feel sorry for her as a mother. However she is made of sterner stuff than many. I don’t doubt she’ll have she’d a tear in private but then she’ll dry her eyes and be back to ‘business as usual’.

Calendar Girl.
Charles and Diana did not divorce until 1996.
Had Charles known that he was to take over in 1991 they might have made a better fist of trying to save their marriage.
William was born in 1982 .
Charles was 65 in 2013
He would have been 31 years old when his father abdicated.
The Queen was in her twenties when she became Monach and was not expecting it to happen so soon so had no time to prepare .
Quite honestly I don’t think they know what to do with Princes William and Harry.
One minute William is a pilot and the next he wants to be a farmer.
It must be very frustrating for him.
His grandmother is over 90 and his father over 70 .
It may not be that long before he has to take over the reins .
As for Harry ,now that William and Kate have provided an heir and two spares let him and Meghan go to Africa and do their good works there.