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to think that pews should remain in churches?

(65 Posts)
trisher Sat 30-Nov-19 10:07:37

It seems to be fashionable to take the pews out of places of worship and replace them with chairs. Now I'm not religious but I do like church buildings. I like the peace and quiet they hold and the sense of spirituality and calm found in them. And I like the pews. There is something about sitting quietly in a pew that has held people for hundreds of years, and taking them away effectively destroys that. The last church I visited where the pews had gone seemed to have become messy, noisy and chaotic. The peace was destroyed. Bring back the pews!!!!

Grammaretto Tue 03-Dec-19 21:44:37

Yes I have a garden bench. Why?

trisher Tue 03-Dec-19 21:47:37

If it is wooden it is probably similar to sitting in a pew and perhaps as uncomfortable.

mumofmadboys Wed 04-Dec-19 00:03:20

Except you would rarely sit still on a garden bench for an hour or so!! I think YABU Trisher!

trisher Wed 04-Dec-19 10:48:36

I've seen people sit on them all afternoon mumofmadboys.
I will say that if some chairs or some space is needed in a church I wouldn't object to some pews being removed, but I would like to see it done thoughtfully and well, with pews retained to keep the historic and heritage of the buildings intact. What I really don't think should be permitted is the mess I saw in the church I visited. The pews had been moved but were stacked at the sides. The chairs were set out but were overshadowed by a large exhibition which was not really connected with the church. There was a nice cafe area in one corner but other places were filled with clutter, the remains of an art class, what looked like jumble sale goods and other stuff. The church itself has many interesting and unique features including a medieval tomb but it was imposssible to see anything properly. It really wasn't a good advert for moving pews.

Callistemon Wed 04-Dec-19 11:39:39

What about the mini golf course and the helter skelter set up in a couple of cathedrals, trisher?

I went to a great café at a church in Hereford . I wouldn't think God minds even if some atheists may object because atheists are only interested in the architecture, the fabric of the church.

Baggs Wed 04-Dec-19 11:57:48

Church authorities do what they do in order to keep going. Always have, always will. Gotta spread the meme.

I don't think you're being unreasonable to think that pews should be kept in churches but I do think it unreasonable to expect it.

trisher Wed 04-Dec-19 12:06:58

I'm not sure about golf etc. It was the MESS I found so awful. I'm not the tidiest of people but even just putting a few things away and straightening a few pews would have helped. As it was the last straw was a giant stuffed bear sitting in a pew surrounded by a pile of jumble. It is a unique iconic church ad should be packed with visitors, it isn't. Didn't mind the cafe it seemed well attended and not intrusive. I like churches and when I visit I sometimes light a candle and usually leave a donation. But churches abroad seem to be much more open and welcoming to visitors.

rubysong Wed 04-Dec-19 13:54:53

In our (small) church we replaced the pews with chairs and put down carpet. It was built in the mid 19th century as a dual purpose building, school during the week and church on Sunday. We now have a regular coffee morning, meetings, concerts etc. and this weekend we have a Christmas Tree festival. We wouldn't be able to do these things if the pews were still there and as a result we have had many more people into church than we would have had just having services with the pews there. In this way we, as a church, are reaching out to the community. It seems the right thing to do.

Callistemon Wed 04-Dec-19 14:01:52

Our church has a wood block floor and it looks as if the blocks have shrunk because there are quite large gaps between them.

I did wonder whether or not to suggest that, instead of getting on knees to pray, we could all get on our knees and shove the blocks together again.

grandtanteJE65 Sun 08-Dec-19 13:05:56

Most of the pews I have ever sat in were fiendishly uncomfortable. Chairs are often better, though not always.

They can also be moved around, making it possible to have other kinds of services than the traditional ones where we all sit facing the alter and pulpit and with our backs to each other.

Septimia Sun 08-Dec-19 14:11:08

Our mid 12th century church has pews - not very comfortable and not very old, but I like them better than chairs. They all stand on a wooden plinths, attached by dowels.

My suggestion is to remove the plinths so that the stone floor is exposed and to put the pews on lockable casters so that they can be moved around. We might need to get rid of a few just so that there's room to move them.

We also have a stone altar, probably the original one, hidden under the floor when they were banned in c. 1571. It was discovered during later renovations and reinstated. Moving that so that the celebrant can stand behind it is likely to be interesting!

Oopsminty Sun 08-Dec-19 14:14:13

Funnily enough my parents had a church pew in their garden. We all regularly sat on it.

No idea where my father acquired it from

Resurgam123 Fri 13-Dec-19 07:23:49

There is an anglican church near to us that has has removed thie pews . The atmosphere is more friendly,
There are lot of big old probably victorian churches that do not have much architectual merit and do not not have many congreations any way.
Many of the old churches really must be left as they are and are listed.
Where I live there are a lot of nonconformist chapels .
Far more than than the big Anglian monstrosities.

PamelaJ1 Fri 13-Dec-19 11:06:26

Interesting conversation.
I presume that most of you either go to church or help in keeping the building and church yard in good working order.
You may not know that even the smallest church costs more than £300 per week to keep open. That’s even if they only have half a dozen services a year. So you all understand that PCC’s have to do whatever they can to keep solvent. If that means getting rid of the pews then so be it.

If parishes were prepared to support their local church then the pews could be retained if so desired. Our parish wants to use their church, and it IS their church, for weddings, funerals and baptisms but our villagers don’t get that it needs money to continue.
If the support isn’t there then the inevitable result that many will close, weather they still have pews will be totally irrelevant.
I support the church, although I don’t believe in God, because it’s there and someone has to. I wouldn’t be campaigning to build one.