for Expats in the EU who voted remain, to be relly upset and angry at neighbours and 'friends' who have voted to leave?

It is not democracy when 17 million out of a population of 67 million voted for tbis brexit nonsense 4 years ago.and the future of our children and grandchildren has been blighted by this appalling travesty of democracy.

Sorry, Fennel I should have RTWT first!

We might have relocated overseas but would have had to pay for private healthcare a not inconsiderable amount.
And our pensions would have remained at the level they were when we left the UK

So we stayed.
The grass is not always greener.

That was one of my points too Callistemon.
And @maddyone - maybe others on here would have loved to have been able to spend some years in "A Place in the Sun" but couldn't do it for various reasons.
I know that we were very fortunate.

I am rather too

Why can you not buy travel insurance in Switzerland for travel in the EU? And beyond?
Surely Swiss people travel throughout the EU? And beyond (I've met some but never thought to quiz them about their travel insurance. My own costs enough).
What do they do for insurance?

Have I missed something?

Indeed Callistemon.

I am just wondering about the people who have moved to France in the last two years as mentioned in the afore-mentioned post:

Why would anyone, especially where one is very elderly, possibly requiring healthcare in the near future, have relocated to the EU since the UK voted to leave?

Surely they should have exercised a degree of caution? I cannot understand anyone who would be so reckless and relocate to Europe, knowing there would be so many uncertainties about our future relationship.

Jura's post of 12.03:38 * MawB*.

their only choice will probably be to return to UK destitute, and request housing, social care and health care from the UK

Oh cue the violins!
The poorhouse clearly awaits.

Who has been widowed shortly after moving with their husband?

‘No point in asking for any empathy from GN.’

Probably because many Gransnetters have very real problems in their lives jura. You have a difficulty that may yet prove to be not a difficulty, depending on the result of negotiations. Wait and see would be my advice.

But, lots of us have had major health scares, or even a couple, which restrict what we can do. It happens and one copes.

This is a small problem in comparison to, say, one of DD2's friends - aged 38, newly married, a triathlete - who has just been diagnosed with MND! I bet he would like to be worrying about his next holiday rather than whether he can get onto the new drug trial and/or whether he will see 40.

He isnt moaning on a forum. He has started a charity to help others in his position.

I have friends who voted to leave because in their judgment it was best, they haven't become 'friends' all of a sudden

And, no one person swung the Brexit vote so, yes you are being unreasonable.

Maybe it was a bit harsh, Mamie.
But we met so many couples during our years in France who had come out to 'live the dream' but soon found it wasn't as easy as it seemed. Most of them returned home, but I could tell you many sad stories of financial loss, divorce, bereavement etc. I had 3 english friends whose husbands had died there, they all went home to their families.
Those who remain have faced the practicalities of living in France , probably like you have.
We were lucky to sell our house when we did, there were others in our commune who returned and still can't sell, which means they're still paying out on house taxes, insurance, maintenance etc.

Travel insurance is indeed wonderful - if you can get it where you live. If you can't, then ...

Fennel, yes very harsh. Many had planned to retire to France for many many years- some had bought property well in advance- and moved when they retired, either before the Brexit campaign- or at the start when all promised a 'Great Deal, the best Deal' ever...

Others have developped severe health issues after the move, and as said, I know many who have been widowed. S1 covered those of official UK retirement age, and they dependent spouse, even if younger. Hard enough to lose your partner, and to lose your rights too. And for many, they have put all their savings and the proceeds from their UK house to purchase the house in France, Spain or wherever in the EU, and to do the necessary renovations. They now have houses that can't sell (they were cheap because in areas where the 'natives' don't want to live) - and no savings to fall back on.

So, yes, as said on previous threads- their only choice will probably be to return to UK destitute, and request housing, social care and health care from the UK. Not sure this will be beneficial to the UK- let alone them. (and as said before, that will not apply to us- we have made sure in our plans that we left all doors opened, and the fall in Sterling and the rise in CHF- would ensure a very nice profit- but that is NOT the point). DD1 and GCs will probably move here if things turn bad for financial services in the UK- so it would be ridiculous to move back now.

We will - adapt and survive- we are VERY lucky. Many won't be able to - and yes, they are not ATBU to be annoyed and more, at those in their shared communities who actually voted for their demise. And yes, no point in asking for any empathy from GN.

That’s right Mamie I’d totally forgotten about the card, due to various health problems we always take out Travel Insurance, so have never used the card.

We need an edit button, then I could have changed my post, or deleted it altogether.

That is a bit harsh Fennel. Surely someone who has moved with their husband and been widowed soon after deserves a bit of compassion?
I do agree that there is not much point debating the issues on here though.

The card under discussion is the EHIC card which entitles the citizens of EU member states to reciprocal health treatment when on holiday in another member state. I think it used to be called the E111. This may disappear by the end of the year if talks break down. It will affect the population of the UK plus those residents in other member states who have the UK as their competent state, because they are in receipt of a state pension.
HTH

Jura - those you know who have arrived in the last 2 years and are scared - I don't think you'll find any sympathy for them on here. They can only blame themselves for moving when there was so much uncertainty
They should go back home.
Having said that, if they've bought a home in France it might be difficult to sell.
As Kitty says, life is full of these challenges, we should try to learn from them

Oh , hold on! Sorry you’ve been using the Card which enables you to get health cover? And then claiming it against the UKs NHS?

As I said a bit slow this morning........

Sorry , I must be a bit thick this morning, Jura2 if you can’t buy Travel Insurance in the U.K. because you don’t live here and you can’t buy it in Switzerland because it doesn’t exist, how have you obtained Insurance in the past to get you across Europe and into the U.K.?

jura sorry but I think you’ve shot your bolt on this issue my dear. You have made your choices in life. You could reverse them but don’t choose to.

I also think what you fear is 11 months yet down the line (No Deal Brexit) which might never happen. Try to relax and enjoy your life until then.

My late father in law used to say ‘save tomorrow’s worries for tomorrow ‘ ‼️

maddyone, you can't buy Health Insurance from the UK if you are not resident there, I can assure you. If only...

And yes, we can move back to UK and always thought we would at some point- the reason why we made sure we kept a small property there, just in case. As much as we love the UK- what I loved about it seems to be going and perhaps gone... so not attractive at all for us at the mo.

Yes, of course, Kitty- we will adapt and survive - always have, always will. But it is hard, the older you get, and especially just getting over a major health care. But we will ...

We have many friends in France who arrived in last 2 years and are very scared as they still do not have permanent residency- some were counting on being able to have S1 as their partner was older, but now have been widowed - and find themselves distrought by the loss, and scared witless about their future situation.

And they are, indeed, very upset with neighbours and acquaintances in their communities, where expats are very numerous- and who voted for this- especially those who are now constantly moaning about the consequences. This thread was about them- as I have read many of their comments recently on Forums dedicated to them- some who cannot bear to talk, visit or be visited by family and friends from the UK who have voted for this, and even less for those near them who also did so. I do not believe they are AIBU to feel that way, well ATBU.

I suppose we could put the dog down, so we can fly. But as we saved her 2 years ago from being put down by owners for very selfish reasons- I just could not

Now you are just being melodramatic.
There are dog sitters (look for them) boarding kennels (again, look) friends who will house sit and look after dogs etc etc
What do you think happens to Hattie when I am on granny duty in London?
That sort of emotional blackmail carries no weight .
OP, you have chosen your lifestyle, why bleat because you have to adapt to changes?

I'd just like to point out that life throws spanners in the works in other ways - not just Brexit induced.

When spanners have been thrown into our lives we have adapted, found solutions and lived within our means to keep things on track.

DH has two brothers who live abroad. They have both seen their financial situations change due to Brexit - they have had to change their expectations. As I said above, tough!

Lots of things in life are tough - not being able to get cheap, or free, health cover is just another thing and not that tough in the great scheme of things.

My friend's husband is on dialysis which curtails his holiday options quite considerably - that's tough too!

Dh has a few medical issues that have forced us to re-evaluate our holiday thoughts but we are more than happy to explore this beautiful country and not to moan about it.

Adapt and survive.

Thank you growstuff, I didn’t know that. I thought all will remain the same till the end of the transition period. Why is it changing this week?
Incidentally, when our three children worked abroad during gap years, or our daughter’s elective (medical course) we bought insurance for all three of them to cover any medical needs. It seemed sensible to protect them. For this reason I don’t have a problem with people buying their own medical insurance.
Incidentally an American family I knew years ago who lived and worked in Britain, were eligible and used NHS care, because the husband worked and paid tax here.Do you know when this situation changed?