Do we still set higher standards for women?

Mo Mowlam was definitely one of the greatest assets the Labour Party ever had. No one, imo, has ever come up to par with her.

Barbara Castle, Mo Mowlam , Tessa Jowell, Yes.

Jennie Formby; "one of the greatest women there has ever been in the British Labour movement and United Kindom politics?"

Oh no.

I am not a Labour supporter, but I recognise and admire the women you have listed, especially Mo Mowlam.

Formby is one of the greatest women there has ever been in the British Labour Movement ?

My political heroins are from the Labour Party

Barbara Castle, Mo Mowlam , Tessa Jowell, Harriet Harman,
Gwyneth Dunwoody, Margaraet Beckett, Margaret Hodge,
Angela Eagles.

All voted for at general elections .

McClusky had a desk in
HQ when Corbyn first became leader

Because its fun.

Anniebach, in regard to your post @17:37 today, can you please post any link to substantiate your "claim" that Len McCluskey in his role as General Secretary of the Unite Union he "did have a desk in Labour Party Headquarters?

In regard to Jenny Formby, she progressed her career up through the trade union movement by being elected into almost all the positions she acquired. That process Len McCluskey would have had no responsibility for or hand in organising.

Formby and McCluskey were domestic partners for a considerable number of years prior to her bearing his son.

Anniebach, why do you wish to denigrate the personal life and career of a person who is widely respected as one of the greatest women there has ever been in the British Labour movement and United Kindom politics?

She has always been a shining example for other women of all persuasions to follow, and to those in this thread who rightly believe that women still have many impediments to overcome in attaining true equality between the genders.

I thought I posted an addition to say that Ursula van der Leyan has seven children, and is President of the European Commission, so it can be done.

McClusky did have a desk in HQ, and because Formby slept
with McClusky doesn’t mean other women haven’t reached
high jobs without sleeping with a man who is very influential
in the womens line of work.

Dennis Thatcher and Phillip May for example

So, Anniebach you give women the great service of demonstrating in your view that women never get anywhere in their careers unless they sleep with their male bosses.

What a disgraceful wrong view and attitude that is.

And by the way Anniebach, Len McCluskey never has had an office in the Labour Party headquarters. Up to the late 1960s, the Parliamentary Labour Party had its Headquarters in the Transport Unions offices in Sloan Square Westminster, but that was well before McCluskey became General Secretary of what is now the Unite Union and Jenny Formby was hardly born. ?

There are wealthy men and women of all colours.

And Jennie Formby is the mother of McClusky’s son !

McClusky had a desk in Labour HQ and Formby is now
General Secretary

Yes

If vampirequeen and others genuinely believe that "wealthy white men rule the world", can I respectfully suggest that they get off their backsides and set about changing that situation. Moaning on a forum such as this has never and will never change anything.

Should you wish for an example just look up the working history of Jennie Formby now the most powerful person in Britains seven million strong Labour movement in her role as General Secretary. Formby started out by being elected as a shop steward in the road transport industry at a time in the 1970s when the Labour Movement was totally male-dominated.

So as stated, take your example from her and make a difference

Is it that standards are too high for women, or too low for men?
Perhaps we’re in danger of letting standards lapse because we’re afraid of criticising women.

Surely no-one should argue that Priti Patel’s conduct shouldn’t be investigated, simply because John Bercow also faced accusations of bullying?
You wouldn’t let someone off a charge of shoplifting, because someone else was found not guilty, would you?

Priti Patel has driven two of her staff to attempt suicide, and made the Head of the Civil Service Home Office resign through her arrogant and unfeeling actions.

John Bercow was never accused of anything as evil as that.

Eazybee Sarah Palin had a punt at being vice-president (with the possibility of being president) of America with five children. Some women do want to do these things.

I'd suggest GagaJo says it because wealthy white men rule the world.

GagaJo why do you always bring colour (wealthy white men) into nearly every post.

I can't imagine any woman with six children wanting to become Prime Minister, but actually, Helena Morrissey has nine children and until recently was head of Legal and General investments; Ursula von der leyen is President of the European Commission; if they wanted to I am sure they would.

That's right SueDonim, Theresa May was criticised for having no children and therefore must have been incapable of empathy towards families but Nicola Horlick was criticised for having 6 children whilst working as a high flying financier and so her maternal responsibilities were questioned. No one has questioned whether JRM, who also has 6 children, is failing in his paternal responsibilities whilst he's an MP. Double standards indeed.

If the woman is pregnant and looking for a job, 90% she won't be hired.

If her partner is looking for a job while she is pregnant, it doesn't need to be mentioned and won't impact his job situation whatsoever.

Talk about double standard

Yep, women are expected to have higher standards and yes, it’s outdated.

Remember, too, the slurs against Theresa May because she isnt* a mother, when it came to the leadership race.

Women can’t do right for doing wrong.

Totally. Women still have to throw through hoops to prove we are as capable as men

There are still double standards. I met my first husband when I was 14 and didn't escape until I was 47. A year or so later I embarked on my Jezebel period. I met lots of men (including my DH) , formed some brilliant friendships and had a wonderful time. Only a few knew about it at the time because I would have been viewed as being a less than virtuous woman whereas a man would have been throwing off the shackles of a stagnant and suffocating marriage.

The Equality Act 2010 enshrined under legislation that in the workplace both genders have to be treated in all matters equally. Under that Act, it is for women, both individually and in whole gender action to ensure that what is set out in that legislation is brought forward to the full for the benefit of women.

Sadly the above is often not carried out in Britains workplaces and in that women very often do not progress in career terms as high as their male counterparts.

However, how progress can be achieved was demonstrated only too well by a young woman in our office who joined us in an administration role but soon expressed a wish to be trained to join the operational side of the business. However, she became pregnant but while on maturity leave studied to gain IOSH Qualifications that have allowed her to be attached to the Assignment teams on returning to work, and in that gain a far higher salary, status, and interesting employment

To gain further training that would enable her to progress to the highest levels in an Industrial Safety career she will have to demonstrate that she is willing to travel extensively in the course of her employment. That is obviously difficult for a young women with a family, but hopefully, that will be brought about with the cooperation of her partner.

There is nothing we as her employer can do to assist her in that decision, as it is an area where both genders in their domestic lives have to decide what is paramount.

I state the above as feel it demonstrates there are, even in these times, large obstacles that prevent the progress of women in employment and the wider world. However, the opportunities are equally available, especially in employment, for women to progress in equality with the male counterparts, but it is wider social issues that often prevent women obtaining their highest personal attainment.

That situation in the main can only be sorted out by women.