grandson punished by not being allowed to visit us.

i also don't agree that GPs, or anyone can interfere if the parents smack/spank the child.
in england this is legal, so i don't see how anyone else can interfere. obviously as long as it complies with the law.

That seems rather mean.

it is not for GPs to interfere in how the parents bring up their own children, including discipline.
this lack of respect to the parents' authority over the children is one of the main tensions that can lead to low/no contact.
so by being too bossy, interfering the GPs shoot themselves in the foot, as they are then denied any access to GC.
also the custodial rights of parents with shared responsibility, means children can move between both households. this does not extend to any other households inc GPs. so it is quite black and white in that regard.
just because GPs want like to see GC, does not create a right.

The child was being punished. Sometimes when one has a small child, you have to take away something that they value in order to get their attention. An overnight is a privilege and a completely reasonable punishment to be utilized, regardless of lockdown.

The school places are limited. So parents are encouraged to make other arrangements where my daughter lives. Daughter and exhusband are essential government employees and share childcare. The children go between both homes depending on which parent is having a work at home day. It's allowed.

I think some of you missed this post Its not b/w.

Unless ouma comes back and clarifies things it’s really pointless answering as the whole thing doesn’t make sense

Unless you all live together you are not on lockdown together. If you live in separate accomodation you should not be mixing. You should tell your dgs that you will look forward to seeing when lock down is over. The rest of us are making do with Skype and sending parcels tonthem or postcards. You should not be teaching dgs to break rules. We are all finding it hard not to cuddle and be with our dgc but most of us have not seen them in person for 6 weeks now so you won't get a lot of sympathy.

I think this is one of those Maths puzzles and it's on the wrong thread.

When is a lockdown not a lockdown?
Decipher the contradictions in the puzzle and send your answers on a postcard.
Sorry, a PM.

Lockdown is not black and white. Parents are being too harsh. Grandparents legally don't have rights but in my view a child has a right to see his grandparents. Its utterly ridiculous to think of it as a privilege.

You simply can't be 'in lockdown' with another household that lives elsewhere - therefore the whole scenario is ridiculous - end of.

@annepl they don't have rights legal or otherwise. Its a privilage and nothing more. If my child is misbehaving and on restriction then that includes family such as grandparents,older sibilings etc

These gps are more than a dna link.

Annepl

If something is not a privilege, what is it then?
A right (even if it is not in the legal sense)?how would you call it?

Family/dna link does not give automatic access to anybody or means they have to be involved to anything.

I thunk you know what I mean Hithere. I'm not talking about legal rights.

Isn’t it all moot because the two households shouldn’t be mixing anyway? Or have I missed something?

Annepl
What you imply is that family has rights. You are just not saying it directly.

Grandparents are not used in any way here.

The child has consequences for his misbehavior.

What you are saying is that the child can be punished in any other way as long as gp get their visit - aka right?

It doesnt work that way

Pamela as you understand the equation can you explain as the child is living with the grandparents and parents how can he be stopped from visiting no matter what his crime is as he is there already

we have been on "lockdown" together since the beginning of March

Hithere I did in my next comment. Grandparents are family. Not nice to use them in this way.

GTJE65, I agree, a child of 7 is old enough to know when they're lying. But punishment should be appropriate to the age. My 2 year old grandson has 2 minutes in time out, has to give mum or whoever is putting him in timeout an apology and a hug.

A 7 year old could do a half an hour in time out (reading or doing something non technology based) and then apologise.

Cancelling a whole day because of a lie for a 7 year old is disproportionate. However, the OP has said the parents are still working. So it is entirely possible they are front line workers and therefore their patience may well be thin.

While I disagree with the punishment, I agree that the parents are in charge of decisions about it.

No wonder the OP hasn’t been back.
I think I get the gist of the background, but like most of you I think that punishment is up to the parents.
Also like most, maybe all, I can’t understand why the child would be staying with GP’s for the weekend at this time.
The fact that he is not allowed to stay with them indicates that either the mother or father is available for childcare.

GrandtateJE65

I won't yell at you

And now all of you can yell at me. I still think that a child of seven is old enough to distinguish between telling the truth and telling lies.

For heaven's sake, if a seven year old doesn't know the difference between right and wrong then it is high time to start teaching him it, which is apparently what is father is doing.

MissAdventure regarding your post of 19.51 yesterday that could have been my daughter speaking exactly

Your grandson can't come to visit you anyhow right now.

Punishment to be effective has to take the form of preventing a child doing something he regards as a treat.

It is presumably not the first time he has told lies to his parents, so I fully understand them feeling that punishment is in order.

As others have said, it isn't really your business, how your son (?) chooses to discipline his son as long as he isn't spanking the child.

So who lives with who if that’s not clear or understandable how can we possibly pass judgement or possibly decide what punishment the child should or shouldn’t have
If the poster doesn’t come back I ll take it this was not a true scenario