The role of young people re Covid 19

Today I visited a supermarket, all the people nor wearing masks were in the region of 50-70 years old! Also was bumped into several times by people my own age (60+) its not just young people it's everyone who are causing the problem.

Doodledog Totally agree.

Why are young people so selfish - they all think they are immune to the virus but seem to have ignored the fact that they can be carriers - to their parents and grandparents in particular.

I’ve just seen on SkyNews that the biggest rise in Covid19 infections is the 20 to 29 year olds, so whoever is wearing masks or not wearing masks, the younger people are the reason infections are rising. There’s no argument about it, it’s a fact. How is that happening? Well on Sky no reasons were offered, but I would suggest that pubs and clubs are the reason. The government are insisting that the rise in infections is caused by people gathering in private homes, but if that is genuinely the cause, why are other people such as the parents and grandparents not becoming infected?

The pubs and clubs should be closed in my opinion. That is where 20 to 29 year old are becoming infected. They are not getting the infection from their granny, but they very well may infect their granny.

As far as I have seen and heard, pubs have been adhering to strict rules. I don't see why people who wish to go for a quiet drink or a pub meal should not be able to do so if rules are followed, although it will not be possible to sit outside for much longer.

Nightclubs perhaps have not followed rules (I've seen queues outside on the tv) but yes, young people have been gathering in private homes for parties. A friend said yesterday that her DGD, just gone off to university, has been going to parties and she despaired.

They are not getting the infection from their granny, but they very well may infect their granny.

This granny would like to go out for a pub lunch again!

The shop should have a poster on the door stating you have to wear a mask to enter the shop. Pass your concerns onto Tesco and state you will not be shopping there as you do not feel safe, hopefully they will put something in place. Masks are supposed to be worn in shops and most where I live also have hand sanitiser available at the door and wipes for baskets & trollies.

Callistemon
I didn’t mean the type of pub that us grannies go to for a pub lunch. I was thinking of the queues to get into trendy pubs and bars that I have seen on the news regularly since the pubs reopened. The very first weekend of opened pubs there was footage of Soho and the streets were crammed with people holding drinks and no social distancing at all. The pubs themselves were full, hence the overspill into the streets. I said then, this will all end in tears, there’ll be increases in cases of Covid. Now I’m no psychic, nor do I claim any heavenly given abilities, but it seems to me that it didn’t take a gift from God, nor an Oxbridge degree to be able to forecast the future with 100% accuracy.

Incidentally I enjoy the occasional pub lunch too, and being retired, it is nice to go when the pubs are quiet. At the moment though, the quietness also means safeness.

I know what you mean *maddyone , the problem is that it's a blanket ban on all pubs.
The pubs here are divided into two types!

They did predict another large spike in October - looks like we're on the way.

There's a great job opportunity for some on here. Job title:
Covid Secure Marshall. Application from your local council.
It's a serious job, walking around your local precincts advising people what they should be doing.

Not all pubs and restaurants are following the rules.

Clearly they're not Furret.

Yesterday, a young colleague who is in her 20s, phoned in to report that she has been confirmed as having COVID19. She has admitted that she has been going to bars and pubs in her city centre, ever since they re opened, but "never in a million years thought she'd catch it". Her city centre is one of the areas that has been widely photographed in the news, with dozens of people standing drinking, very close to each other and not observing any social distancing. Colleague "feels dreadful".

Does that mean your colleague feels dreadfully ill, or she feels dreadfully guilty Chewbacca?
I hope she doesn’t give the virus to her parents or her granny.

Or to you, Chewbacca
I hope you've not been working near her recently.

20-29 year olds are also the demographic most likely to say that they ‘always’ use public transport, they’re most likely to work in service jobs, and the most likely to share houses with multiple people (besides family and romantic partners). There’s more to these figures than ‘young people don’t care’.

Does that mean your colleague feels dreadfully ill, or she feels dreadfully guilty Chewbacca

I'm not sure Maddyone, it wasn't me that took her call. I'm hoping it's only because she's embarrassed at how daft she's been. And yes, she could very well have passed it on to her grandparents or other vulnerable people in her family. But I'm guessing that's what is making her feel "dreadful".

No, no chance of that Callistemon, I work from home all the time now.

That's a relief, Chewbacca.

In my part of the south virtually everyone is wearing a mask even the teenagers and young children, the non wearers are a rare exception.
As to the filthy masks mentioned in an earlier comment, surely the masks are supposed to be fresh for every outing? I have a reusable one and pop it in the wash every time I get in.

If masks are supposed to be so effective ditto social distancing then why has the infection rate suddenly gone up so much? I would expect it to go right down since most people are complying.?

Because people are not complying

Eating out and socialising in pubs, usually without masks, is one thing driving the rate up.

Recent reports seem to indicate that you are twice as likely to test +ve for COVID-19 if you indulge in these activities.

SpanielNanny

20-29 year olds are also the demographic most likely to say that they ‘always’ use public transport, they’re most likely to work in service jobs, and the most likely to share houses with multiple people (besides family and romantic partners). There’s more to these figures than ‘young people don’t care’.

Very good points, SpanielNanny. Most people round here, of all ages, still seem to be complying with social distancing. I couldn’t comment on the mask wearing as I’ve only been in a handful of small shops since lockdown started. I count myself lucky that I don’t have to go to work or the supermarket, or travel on public transport. I know some older people don’t have the choice, but I don’t know any young people in that position.

That’s a very good point Spaniel and this also applies to BAME families, where they get the blame for spreading the virus.

Young people feel under more pressure to conform to their peer group than they do to the rules. It is far more important to them to "fit in" with their world than it is for us. They have a great sense of "it won't happen to me," than we do so it makes them more foolhardy.
Until we have a change in the way we think as a nation, you will get a lack of control on this. We don't have a sense of public health over rides personal rights. The moment anybody suggests reporting neighbours for infringement, there is a cry of nazi Britain. We can't have it both ways. We want liberal rights but that comes with responsibilities a large part of our population can't deal with. We are told that this is a natural occurring virus but if a rogue nation decided to target other nations with a man made virus, we've just shown how vulnerable we would be.