Sorry......more mask talk

even though i am exempt from wearing a mask i do wear a face shield .i sometimes put on a homemade mask if i am in a place with too many people.makes me think of a young man was refused permission to get on a bus .i'm exempt he yelled .said he had asthma/ ok says inspector show me inhaler/letter of disability. no he yells . i give you a mask says me holding up a new packet(sealed)... no he yells i'm effing exempt .cant be says transport police why are you not out of breath with all that shouting..still didnt let him on ..till he bought a mask. or myfreebie... told everyone to eff off and was arrested..

My understanding was that masks protect other people; they're not being imlemented to protect the wearer..

Masks are better than no mask and, unless they are the proper surgical masks, probably won't offer 100% protection to others.
But self-distancing, wearing a mask and handwashing should all help stop the spread.

Thanks Tweedle.
I'll ask my friend what precautions her hairdressers are taking, although I had got used to the way mine cut it.
He does tend to cut it too short, however, so it's not down to my shoulders yet!

I have sewn my tubular scarves into three layers so I don't have to re-adjust them each time I pull them up. I now just have to lift the sides in a similar way to putting on a mask. Easier in fact and they stay put beautifully.

My DD2 has masks which can be nipped in to the top of the nose to stop specs misting up. But its sewn in. Anyone have any ideas what I can use which would be similar?

Masks are just a line of defense that need to be used in conjunction with other things; distancing, hand washing, ventilation etc. No one says that they offer 100% protection. But it really annoys me that I'm doing everything I can to protect myself and those around me only for people to say mask wearing is rubbish. It all goes back to the WHO saying the virus wasn't airborne I'm afraid.

Callistenon The hairdresser I use has been very conscientious right from square one. Before the Hairdressers’ Association (if that is what it is called) advised masks as well as visors, she wore a mask with her visor because she realised the potential risks.

Ask around and see which hairdressers are following the rules before you give up altogether.

As far as mask wearing goes, I think it is a great shame that more emphasis is not given, via public information platforms, on the correct way to wear and clean masks. Despite masks being advised since March, even on here, some people still think the mask is for their own protection, not to protect others. Maybe if that were pushed harder, there would be fewer people not wearing masks because they think they are accepting the risk for themselves not putting others at risk.

Gagajo, I didn’t know that re cloth masks! I’ve been wearing rather fun leopard print ones, but sounds like they may not be particularly effective from what you have said

Well said quizqueen.
People please realise. Masks do not stop you getting covid.
I didn't say what my problem was MOnica you have wrongly assumed that all people who do not wear masks have chest problems and have shielded this is not the case

My daughter in law has severe asthma and lung damage and she wears one with no fuss. She can’t understand why people with asthma wouldn’t wear one as it doesn’t affect her in the slightest other than the same slight discomfort we all feel wearing them. Thankfully the country her and my son now live in is covid free, so life goes on as normal there. My son sent me a picture of him at a rugby match with a crowd of thousand of people ?

Can you explain to me why countries that do embrace the wearing of masks have a lower infection rate, then? I’m quite happy to respect that you can’t wear a mask if you don’t poo poo the reasoning behind the wearing of them.

If wearing a mask protects you from covid then why are the numbers of cases rising. It really is all a load of rubbish.

Sweetchile I totally agree with you, no -one should be verbally abused for any reason, but if masks are considered essential to slow transmission of the virus and those who cannot wear masks are more likely to have respiratory diseases, which make them more vulnerable COVID, I do not think that whether they have a lanyard or not, that they should go places where masks are required. In lockdown those most vulnerable were told to shield and not leave the house. I do not think those who cannot wear masks should shield, but under the circumstances I simply think that they should stay away from any situation where masks are mandatory.

Infection has spread since the introduction of masks and social distancing has been reduced to 1metre+
People are constantly fiddling with their masks touching inside and out of the masks then handling items in store touching the trolley etc. This is spreading the infection.
People seem to think that by wearing a mask they are immune. You are not.
I am unable to wear a mask. I have been verbally abused despite having a disability lanyard.
I shouldn't have to explain to complete strangers why.
Would any of you who are criticising people like me go up to someone in a wheelchair or mobility scooter and ask them why they are using it?
I used to be a very outgoing person full of fun and involved in lots of different activities.
I no longer go out.
My confidence is zero.
Thank you to all of you who show compassion to people who are unable to wear a mask or visor.

The masks have to have three layers in Wales so any I have made of cotton have had an interfacing in the middle.

Switzerland tested masks for aerosol leakage. All the fabric masks they tested failed the tests. Half the paper masks also failed. Lidl paper masks, shockingly, was one of the brands that passed.

I'm off to Lidl tomorrow.

I really like those 3D type fitted fabric face masks made of 3 layers of fabric that they sell at Redbubble because you can match the mask to a t shirt or a dress and keep others safe as well. You can also get sewing patterns to make this type.

I find the paper masks uncomfortable and I don't think they are safe. My son visited a factory in China where they were being made and he said it was very dirty, with masks dropped on the floor and then packed. Also, they often don't fit properly and are often incorrectly disposed of as well, a risk to our wildlife.

People with existing health problems were asked to shield during lock down, ie not just lockdown, but do not leave the house. Many of us must have friends who are shielding still.

I therfore do not think it unreasonable in this case to say to people who cannot wear masks that they should therefore shield themselves by not going anywhere requiring masks. I think this is particularly needful because many of these people cannot wear masks because they have respiratory problems - which meaans they are in much greater danger should they catch the disease.

If I couldn't wear a mask, nothing, but nothing would tempt me to go anywhere near a venue where I would be expected to mask up. It would be basic self protection.

I agree with you Monica. We have no way of knowing if someone has genuine reasons for wearing a lanyard. It's easy for those who can wear masks to say that those who can't shouldn't be going out shopping etc, doing their best to have some normality in their lives.

Less judgement and more compassion is needed.

I'm back at work in a boarding school. I had to take one of the students for a Covid test today (they're done at the doctors here).

I've been nagging the students ALL week to wear a mask, including the one getting the test. She HAS got a virus (hopefully not covid). She was terrified at the doctors and is now in isolation, still upset.

I've been religious about mask wearing. Because we're a boarding school, that means I wear one almost all day, every day. Guess who has not been ill at all, despite having a low immune system, and usually getting every bug going?

I went to a pub last night that we know do the Covid stuff properly I left my mask in the car but pulled coat collar over mouth and nose but was still refused entry and had to go and get mask....absolutely right !! As I’ve said any times it’s the lack of enforcement of rules that is the problem.

Daftbag1, I'm absolutely with you on mask wearing.

How dare the 'defiant non-believers' put other people at risk?

They are free to avoid mask wearing - but should stay well away from shops and crowded places.

After all, it's easy to get anything delivered!

I have been researching the Spanish Flu pandemic following WW1. The same type of questions were raised in 1918, when there were still plenty of people who didn't believe in the Germ Theory of Disease. "We've Come So Far."
lemsip, M0nica, you both have a point. Mask wearing is not for protecting the wearer, it's to reduce the aerosol of the wearer's exhalation. Something that I should have realised.

When I go into town the traffic fumes aggravate my bronchiectasis cough but now I find that a mask alleviates it. Quite happy to wear a mask

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lemsip Wed 14-Oct-20 21:16:45
Spangler, you really need to watch this on you tube Dr Johnson Pandemic science and masks! it's for you!! . There's a link further back to take you on to it!!
Thanks lemsip, I'll have a look at that.

M0nica Wed 14-Oct-20 22:27:53
Spangler reducing is preventing.
If only M0nica. I've seen masks so filthy that Covid19 has competition, masks that are not worn correctly and masks with holes in. These pictures are tongue in cheek, but you get the idea.
Masks for electioneering, for cocktail tippling and for smoking. If the plague doesn't get you, the cancer sticks will.