to be annoyed?!

nanny2507 so sorry to hear this. It’s affected so many, in so many different ways. I hope you manage to enjoy whatever you have planned.

tweedle I did think that. Beings as I was home alone late afternoon 10 days previously I could probably come out of quarantine and join my ‘bubble’ for the evening. However, as I am starting the day with a Bucks Fizz, I won’t be going anywhere!

mrswoo
It’s still counting down for me and I never once intended to ignore it.
I have my day planned and will be fine thank you!

Just to confirm that if you get a message from Track and Trace telling you to isolate until 11.59 pm on a given day
it is genuine and should not be ignored. Its a bit of a bummer, especially at this time of year, but please take no notice of anyone shouting hoax.
Flaxseed for you and your alternative Christmas.

23.59 is standard in the services to denote midnight. It is not suspiciously accurate, just stops confusion.

flaxseed my mental health is suffering so much. Ive only seen my GD twice this year. Its so hard. Her mental health is suffering too and she's only 4! I cant even have the vaccine. Have a happy Christmas if you can x

nanny2507
Thanks.

I really try to limit where I go.
I have only done essential trips all year, but even those (including Opticians, pharmacies, supermarkets, etc) all add up and pose a risk!

I am most definitely not careless, especially after watching work colleagues scarred having been redeployed to ITU last time.
Redeployment looks imminent again and I fear my turn will come soon. It’s scary.
I am praying they will ‘let me off’ as I head nearer to 60!

flaxseed not at all. However, i wrongly assumed, that you meant you had not been to seek advice for illness but had been to many different social places. I apologise.

nanny2507
Track and Trace, frustratingly, don’t tell you where you were in contact with the infected person, only the date.
The only places I went that day were to my Drs surgery with severe pain on inspiration and a numb arm/tingly fingers, then to A&E (as dr wanted to rule out an embolism), then a quick dash to shop (after all clear) for a few provisions.
Do you suggest I should not have done any of this?

flaxseed However, that’s all irrelevant as I am not going anywhere now thanks to Track and Trace! its not the fault of track and trace. If you didnt want to be in this possible position then you should have been going to a few places? Sorry to sound harsh but it is the responsibility of "you" to keep "you" safe to lessen the risk of passing it on. Before tier 4 came in I was visiting my heavily pregnant DD and GD so i kept away from people and places to protect them not me.

indeed.

welbeck

Iam64, agree, some people don't see themselves or their behaviour and decisions as part of the problem.
one thing jumped out at me from your last comment; how, or is it, relevant that the tier-transgressing daughter is out of work ?

I think she said the daughter was out AT work (greater potential for contact) not out OF work.

Iam64, agree, some people don't see themselves or their behaviour and decisions as part of the problem.
one thing jumped out at me from your last comment; how, or is it, relevant that the tier-transgressing daughter is out of work ?

yes, it was the terminology, and as it doesn't affect me personally i was a bit vague, so wanted to check. have now read govt explanation on support bubbles.
let us all keep as safe as possible, and have as good an xmas as possible.

Track and trace are still counting down the days for me , as if I could forget

webeck, grannynanny is correct. As a single household I could bubble with my DD’s family. She’s in the same tier, but even if she wasn’t, I could still have gone.
However, that’s all irrelevant as I am not going anywhere now thanks to Track and Trace!
I am not going to ignore it as if I have indeed been in contact with anyone, then I don’t want put my family at risk.
Mind you, as an NHS worker I have probably been doing this regularly when restrictions were eased, as I was looking after my DGS occasionally whilst DD worked

All of my family are in tier 4 and we have a zoom breakfast/opening of presents planned followed by a zoom quiz in the evening, arranged by my son in law. My food is sorted, I have alcohol, films, and a Christmas jigsaw sorted.
I am actually quite looking forward to it!!

callistemom I’m inclined to agree. My hairdressers, gym and local restaurants are far cleaner than even my own hospital. I am forever telling colleagues to clean the keyboards before using them, stop borrowing pens, stop putting used masks on the tables at break times.......

I helped to organise a Funeral on Tuesday for a lady from a care home who had no one so we made sure she had a decent Funeral, just 14 in the Church plus the Minister and I. All very safe except the Undertakers, the first to arrive tried to shake my hand, we had met a few times. When others arrived they all shook hands and tried to do the same with the Minister and I.
I felt as though I was in reverse for a while.
I understand they do this all the time but it just did not feel right when we were trying to get the mourners not to.

i would ignore it .track and trace is rubbish . i got three messages saying i had to isolate 2 weeks each time....then i got an error message saying ignore this message
what is going on ? boris doesnt know his bum from his elbow .....

Stupid woman!
I think I'd have told her to move away. Please.

I was told my hairdressers were wearing visors but pushing them up as they couldn't see properly with the light reflecting off them!
So I haven't been at all since February.

Callitemon - you can tell,I'm still shocked by this woman's behaviour. My stylist/salon owner has done the various courses, halved the number of clients, so the chairs are all socially distanced. The two back washes are separated by a screen but, they only use one and sanitise it between clients. The stylist was busy on the other side of the salon and didn't observe this.
My (expert) assessment was the woman was very needy, highly anxious and couldn't stop talking. I don't think I've ever been so pointed in attempting to stop her, to turn away and after a short time, I simply moved my chair and had it facing away from her. Imagine going to the salon, behaving like this after your tier 4 out at work daughter arrived in the village. We are currently free of the awful virus

Iam64 my friend said she'd been for her hair appointment last week, that you have to wait outside if you arrive early and that they were allowing plenty of time between clients for everything to be thoroughly sanitised. She felt far safer than at a recent hospital visit.
The hairdresser is now shut down as all of Wales is level 4 despite there being few cases in this area.

I risked the hair salon yesterday.. Very well organised and socially distanced, every area cleaned rigorously after anyone moved. Half the clients who would have been there pre-virus. Young salon owner stressed and anxious she'll be closed again soon (we are currently tier 3).
Woman came and pulled her chair close to mine, and proceeded to tell me her daughter just arrived from London. When I commented I thought no one was to travel from tier 4 she said as she lives alone, it was alright. I got my book out and turned my chair away to create more distance.
In contrast good friends daughter and 8 month old baby arrived from London the day before tier 4. Her husband had planned to arrive on Christmas Eve. They won't breach the rules, so he is going to be alone for Christmas and miss his baby's first Christmas.
If only everyone would accept the guidance applies to all of us.

welbeck my understanding is that as Flaxseed lives alone she is within the guidelines to form an extended household bubble regardless of tiers.

Or she would have been if she hadn’t received a text to say she may have been in contact with someone who has tested positive.

OP, are you sure that would have been allowed; here is an extract from The Independent, one day ago:

“In England, those living in tier 4 areas should not mix with anyone outside their own household at Christmas,” the prime minister said

If you planned to reunite with people from different households in an area that is being placed under the new tier 4 restrictions, you will have to revisit your plans.

Residents in areas facing the new tier 4 measures will be able to see someone over Christmas, but they will only be allowed to see one person from another household and the meeting will have to take place outdoors.

Track and trace do apparently call but I have had nothing yet. My app is still counting the days down for me!

Most people are counting ‘Sleeps til Santa’, I’m counting ‘Sleeps til my release!’

I could have joined my DD as I am a single household.

bluebelle I did hope that I could do that but I asked on my work (nhs staff) support group and I have to self isolate regardless, as I could develop symptoms at any point during the incubation time.
So far, I feel well. Thank goodness

I think you get a text.