I wasn’t a Birthing Person and I didn’t Chest Feed

Doodledog this is actually about women who don't want to be called women or mothers. No men nvolved except transmen who I believe you think are still women. So why blame men for it?

My friend is a midwife and she is really concerned about the change in language actually and they are supposed to apply it to EVERYONE not just females that live as males.

I'm getting quite sick of it in all honesty. The people with cervix thing really concerns me. Women with learning disabilities are the least likely female group to access cervical screening, using medical terminology could EXCLUDE them as a group. How is that in any way useful?

Women have fought for equality now it seems natal women have to fight once again, this time for the the continued recognition of their gender in language and medicine.

Sounds like typical uber-woke council stuff. No doubt they’re awash with spare cash to pay for leaflets and training for the poor deluded non-woke who need educating out of their archaic mindsets.

I'm wondering why if a person has made the decision to transition from female to male, presumably because they feel they have been living in the wrong body, why they would want to undertake one of the most defining aspects of being a woman, giving birth I've only read about one such person so far, maybe there are others but I somehow can't imagine their numbers running into double figures and terminology has to be changed ????

I also thinks euphemisms for breasts, "tits" etc. is a whole different argument and nothing to do with redefining breast feeding as chest feeding.

TerriBull I don't understand it either that doesn't mean that I don't respect someone's right to be called whatever they wish to be called.
I believe the number of transmen is rising so presumably there may be more and this enables staff to deal with them.

FFS.no comment.

As my mother would have said ‘ someone has got too much time on their hands’ Chestfeeding indeed ! They are Breasts .

As a point of interest the computer underlined chestfeeding as misspelt but was quite happy with Breastfeeding!

Look I respect their right of anyone to be called whatever they wish Trisher, my point is why do we all have to be redefined, I am not a "cis" woman, neither are the majority of women I imagine if they were asked. Heavens above! some women haven't even heard of the term, I posted before, a friend of mine was asked on a form at work whether she was one, her response "I've no idea, I don't know what a cis woman is" I think it's perfectly feasible for hospital staff to treat any transman who has given birth respectfully as individuals and, should they need to advice on feeding their baby ask whether they would prefer the word chest to be used. I'm sure as you say their number will rise in due course, I still think they will be an infinitesimal minority, which begs the question why change the terminology, when as Andrew Pierce stated on Jeremy Vine this morning, doing that is just going to piss off the vast majority of women off

Its another nail in the coffin of women.

I'm horrified by it and I can honestly say I will NOT be saying …..

horrified !!

NellG Well said.

The OP points out these instructions are for midwives in part of the UK. I've read one news article and the Trust in question want the midwives to use additional words not to replace them. Staff will be asked to use language which reflects people's "own identities and preferences, when talking to patients

Interesting to read through all comments here though.

There are not instructions for whole population but the thread has gone off in all directions as if they are and will do. Some (outside the profession) may choose to use some of these words as is their right. I for one never will.

I think Brighton have listened to womens concerns, they according to the information I have read are not removing the term women. I actually feel a little bit hopeful if what I have read is true.

It’s all about the menz, mustn’t hurt their feelings with anything as petty as biological reality!

Before I get called a bigot I have 2 transwomen friends and more trans acquaintances. They agree it’s ludicrous. It’s a small but very vocal minority driving this bus.

The issue isn't about a minority of individuals wanting to be called by whatever terminology they want or with medical staff using said terminology, which is the right thing to do. The issue is with advisory bodies to the government and the health service changing the language as a blanket ruling in order to be inclusive at the exclusion of others. In this case women.

So actually no one is "changing" anything just adding to the vocabulary used so that minorities can be treated with understanding and sympathy.
I do notice that the "I'm not anti-trans brigade" who were posting misinformation about protected spaces have now taken on this thread since they were called to account elsewhere.

I have just read a comment by Sharon Davies (swimmer) “medicine like sport should be sex based not by gender identification “

It is possible to transition and I defend anyone who chooses to do so, it is their right.

What they cannot change is the chromosomes with which they were born, these will define their medical history and treatment for their entire lives.

Once again this is mostly about transmen. Let's leave transwomen out of it.

trisher protected spaces is an entirely different matter/agenda.

Just read through comments that have been posted whilst I was writing mine.

Trisher we're saying the same. Many thanks.

Terribul Look I respect their right of anyone to be called whatever they wish Trisher, my point is why do we all have to be redefined, The Trust that issued this is not doing that. They clearly say these words are in addition to the ones already used. They are not redefining those to whom these words do not apply to.

One example from the Trust: Other changes include replacing the use of the word "woman" with the phrase "woman or person". A choice

I am a woman, a mother, and a grandmother. I gave birth to my children, and I breast fed them. I don’t see why these descriptors should be changed to suit 1% of the population. Perhaps the 1% should think about the 99%. Why should our language be changed to suit 1% of the population. It’s up to them to fit in around everyone else, not up to everyone else to fit in with 1%.

It’s hardly democratic is it?

geekesse

Oh, get over it! Individuals can call themselves and their body parts what they wish. I can’t believe that in the throes of a pandemic, everyone is getting het up about such a trivial thing.

Do you mean that you think this is trivial, geekesse?

If so - a pandemic will wane but this dismissal of female people as women will affect us, our daughters and our granddaughters lives for generations unless a halt is put to it.

geekesse - interesting choice of username - surely 'geek' covers all genders?

I'm still confused about what transmen and transwomen mean.
I wonder if these changes are taken seriously is because of fear of being sued if you refuse to accept the new terminologies.

Callistemon If so - a pandemic will wane but this dismissal of female people as women will affect us, our daughters and our granddaughters lives for generations unless a halt is put to it but what if your DD or GD wished to become your DS or your GS and then decided to have a baby wouldn't you be concerned for them if they were called something they found unacceptable? .

Fennel Transwomen are people designated male at birth who feel they have the wrong body It's called gender dysphoria
www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

Transmen are people designated female at birth who feel they should be men
You'd better add non-binary to your list as well because many young people refuse to join the battle and decide to call themselves this.
I prefer to think it is consideration rather than fear of being sued.