Sarah Everard vigil

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Not Ben

Well, probably Ben too

Ben started standing up to their friends when sexism/verbal assault started.

That they’d stop being afraid of looking weak.

It’s not all men. But it is men

Nanna58

Moving forward it should be far tougher sentencing for domestic violence , rape and assault, with all rape cases going to trial not just those the CPS see as ‘ winnable ‘so as to improve their stats. Also far,far more women judges to balance out the surplus of elderly out of touch ms,e judges that seem to proliferate.

I would have a pool of specially trained judges to hear rape cases.

Moving forward it should be far tougher sentencing for domestic violence , rape and assault, with all rape cases going to trial not just those the CPS see as ‘ winnable ‘so as to improve their stats. Also far,far more women judges to balance out the surplus of elderly out of touch ms,e judges that seem to proliferate.

The thing is, if all goes well, the issue of gatherings/protests and public health dangers will not be relevant before too long so the issues will be different. In an ideal world if people believe are being listened to, they don’t need to go on a march or demonstrate do they? The real issue is not to keep replaying and debating what happened last weekend but to see what what it should look like moving forward.

Over the last year laws/ rules have varied in their allowance of what people can and cannot do, and so dependent on the levels of lockdown at the time in which various protests have been held , so to has the level/ style if policing those events altered.

Sarnia

Sarah's trial is scheduled for the autumn. Will it be too much to ask that the country can show some dignity and compassion to Sarah's memory and her family and friends? Put the 'Kill The Bill' placards away, observe the Covid restrictions and let the police get on with their job.

I think things seem to have calmed down now. However anxiety and criticism of the Bill remain relevant for a variety of reasons.

Hetty I know for a fact ( unlike you) that many people who attended did NOT do it for a“ fun day out”.

Food for thought NellG!

Sarah's trial is scheduled for the autumn. Will it be too much to ask that the country can show some dignity and compassion to Sarah's memory and her family and friends? Put the 'Kill The Bill' placards away, observe the Covid restrictions and let the police get on with their job.

...a vigil I mean

It was for most of the day.

Hetty58

It wasn't a vigil at all. It wasn't quiet, thoughtful, respectful - or appropriate.

It was, as I suspected, just used as an excuse for a good old demo, bit of public disorder, fun day out - and a grand time was had by all (except the police, of course) - disgraceful!

Why does this matter now?

It wasn't a vigil at all. It wasn't quiet, thoughtful, respectful - or appropriate.

It was, as I suspected, just used as an excuse for a good old demo, bit of public disorder, fun day out - and a grand time was had by all (except the police, of course) - disgraceful!

How many of us knew exactly what it is was going to be because human beings are predictably stupid and don't know the difference between a cause and a campaign?

lemsip

It was supposed to be a vigil, which is a period of silent reflection and contemplation, in memory of Sarah Everard. yes that is what it was supposed to be. yes eazybee it was.

but highjacked because as one poster explained 'it was a high profile death' they were just waiting in the wings for
such a death. any other murder not so high profile wouldn't have done ............

Well it turned out differently and it really isn’t worth continuing to complain about that is it? Things have quietened down now and what matters is what changes fir girls and women going forward.
As to the comment aimed at me about ‘high profile death’ this is a misinterpretation of what I said. Of course high profile deaths will be seized on by some people with other agendas. It’s a fact of political life whether we like it or not - high profile cases of any kind become totemic of particular issues and sadly sometimes misused. That doesn’t and shouldn’t deflect from the importance of the underpinning issue

It was supposed to be a vigil, which is a period of silent reflection and contemplation, in memory of Sarah Everard. yes that is what it was supposed to be. yes eazybee it was.

but highjacked because as one poster explained 'it was a high profile death' they were just waiting in the wings for
such a death. any other murder not so high profile wouldn't have done ............

Nanna58

As a ‘ job’ ( Police ) family I agree entirely with those posters who recognise how difficult it is for them to enforce WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES. I support the movement that is saying that harassment and violence towards women is completely unacceptable, I have lobbied my MP and will continue to do so. And I am appalled at Sarah Everard’s death. But .... I wouldn’t have dreamt of breaking the law and therefore put the Police in such an impossible situation by going to take part in the vigil/ protest .

So why do different gatherings/ protests get policed so differently? The real failures are at the top in both the police and government. Laws don’t come from nowhere and operational policing matters are decisions not random chance

As a ‘ job’ ( Police ) family I agree entirely with those posters who recognise how difficult it is for them to enforce WHAT THE LAW REQUIRES. I support the movement that is saying that harassment and violence towards women is completely unacceptable, I have lobbied my MP and will continue to do so. And I am appalled at Sarah Everard’s death. But .... I wouldn’t have dreamt of breaking the law and therefore put the Police in such an impossible situation by going to take part in the vigil/ protest .

It was supposed to be a vigil, which is a period of silent reflection and contemplation, in memory of Sarah Everard.

Any protests, demonstrations, should have been held separately, post covid.

Nannytopsy

My SiL is a Met police officer who has policed many demonstrations this year. Along with fellow officers, he has been attacked, spat at, deliberately coughed at and generally abused. When these people were asked not to attend because of Covid regulations, then they should have known the event would be policed. They made the decision to attend and took the risk upon themselves. No sympathy.
Also, a demonstration isn’t going to stop murdering rapist. They are not afraid of breaking the law so won’t change their ways because of these protests.

It’s really not simply about stopping murdering rapists is it?

Hetty58

Nannytopsy, I agree, unfortunately, awareness, legislation, education and a change of attitudes will never stop the lone psychopath.

I wonder how many deaths will be caused, indirectly, by the spread of Covid amongst demonstrators and their families?

I think that’s unfair and really not the point - did you post about Rangers, Liverpool etc in terms of increased deaths or is just when mainly women gather that deaths might result?

the police have had a terrible year. Years of cuts left them depleted in numbers. They’re expected to police the Covid laws and guidance on top of everything else. Nannytopsy paints an accurate picture of the way some members of the public treat them.
no one could expect a ‘murdering rapist’ to be stopped by protests. The protests reflect the level of anger about violence to women. The subject is on ever phone in, news media and is being discussed on forums like this.
Is it too much to expect social policies that reflect research? Family Centres, children’s services, drug/alcohol teams, etc all subject to devastating cuts. This despite overwhelming evidence that investing in early years and good public services has positive outcomes to society

Nannytopsy, I agree, unfortunately, awareness, legislation, education and a change of attitudes will never stop the lone psychopath.

I wonder how many deaths will be caused, indirectly, by the spread of Covid amongst demonstrators and their families?