Sarah Everard vigil

My SiL is a Met police officer who has policed many demonstrations this year. Along with fellow officers, he has been attacked, spat at, deliberately coughed at and generally abused. When these people were asked not to attend because of Covid regulations, then they should have known the event would be policed. They made the decision to attend and took the risk upon themselves. No sympathy.
Also, a demonstration isn’t going to stop murdering rapist. They are not afraid of breaking the law so won’t change their ways because of these protests.

welbeck

i watched it on a live feed, i would guess most people attending lived within walking distance.

I would not agree with that, the event was held in Clapham obviously because that's where the tragedy took place, it is logical to me that people would come to that area from all over, because the vigil would have been more powerful where it was held and they wanted to mark that area with flowers, much like the flowers laid for Diana at KP it was the place where people felt there was a better connection and where others would be doing the same. It wasn't a local Clapham vigil it was a London vigil first and foremost and also went nationwide, I would say (unless your live feed showed all 3 local stations and bus stops) that most people would have come from areas around London and used public transport to get there and back

Galaxy

One of the organisations involved in the protests is not in my view representative of the many organisations campaigning against violence towards women and girls. I find them a little concerning to say the least.
In other news an officer has been suspended for allegedly sending inappropriate images so they do seem to be reading some manual on how to treat women badly.

In any broad based political movement you will have some extreme elements. This does not mean the overall issue is to be dismissed.

As for the police officer - he’s a probationer and has not been suspended but moved to back office duties. It’s awful to think that he’s only recently been trained but heartening that it was other officers who reported him. It’s less than a year since some police officers ( Met again) posted selfies of themselves with the bodies of two dead murdered sisters. I know the former wasn’t a photo of the victim but it does beg the question of what the Met is playing at when it can’t control its officers guarding murder scenes.

One of the organisations involved in the protests is not in my view representative of the many organisations campaigning against violence towards women and girls. I find them a little concerning to say the least.
In other news an officer has been suspended for allegedly sending inappropriate images so they do seem to be reading some manual on how to treat women badly.

Just say, at a stretch, that maybe, just maybe the Police had information beforehand that led them to believe that a peaceful vigil was going to be infiltrated and 'hijacked' by several known direct action groups. They would need to be there, it's their job.

I tend towards that being their overall agenda. Unless there's some concrete evidence that they're all reading the Handmaid's Tale thinking it's a reference manual.

lemsip

On the news;
Sarah Everard vigil 'was hijacked': Police Federation chief claims protestors from Extinction Rebellion, Antifa and Black Lives Matter infiltrated Clapham event and officers were spat at, punched and abused .

Well that must be true then - the PF couldn’t possibly have am agenda could it?

On the news;
Sarah Everard vigil 'was hijacked': Police Federation chief claims protestors from Extinction Rebellion, Antifa and Black Lives Matter infiltrated Clapham event and officers were spat at, punched and abused .

Summerlove

It’s good to know how many people are still fighting to keep women in their box.

So disheartening.

Isn't it just
So much for the sisterhood
Perhaps we should all just stay at home quietly and light candles until some men tell us differently

Actually scrub the bit about being drunk as we don’t know if they were or not.
But definitely more challenging to arrest the men.

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Just thought I would post this and ask what the differences are, could it possibly be the number of men at one and not at the other? After all men are so happy when they are drunk, therefore harder to arrest than women?

i watched it on a live feed, i would guess most people attending lived within walking distance.

It’s good to know how many people are still fighting to keep women in their box.

So disheartening.

Hetty58

suziewoozie, I think it will be a very long time (next year?) before the high court case begins.

There's already a huge backlog due to Covid, social distancing requirements - and cramped space in traditional court buildings.

Well that was my first thought but who knows? Either way my point was that whether people like it or not, the women wanting change were not going to put it on hold until after the trial. It just doesn’t work like that does it, nothing to do with whether it should or not.

suziewoozie, I think it will be a very long time (next year?) before the high court case begins.

There's already a huge backlog due to Covid, social distancing requirements - and cramped space in traditional court buildings.

Anniebach

Six women murdered since Sarah Everard was murdered ?

I said apparently because I only had one source. What is certain is so far this year 31 women have been murdered by men or where a man is the chief suspect. The vast majority of these are low profile ie have attracted little if any media coverage. This is just a fact.

PaperMonster

And yet, Chakotay, the audio has chants of ‘shame on you’ as the Police herded the attendees closer together in contravention of Covid guidelines. And someone walking home from the vigil was flashed at and the Police didn’t want to know. I’m a million miles away from there and had there been a local vigil I would have attended, but for me someone saying they didn’t want to attend because they were scared of the police reaction speaks absolute volumes.

BTW its a bit ironic them shouting shame if they were herded together by the Police, just how do you think the women got to Clapham and back in the first place, have you seen the size of the platforms on Clapham South, Common and North, have you ever been on the Northern line in rush hour or when its busy I know it all too well as I lived in the area for more than 30 years they would have been more tightly packed on public transport then they would have been by the Police, in fact thinking about it, the transport situation would have been very much in the minds of the people trying to protect others from covid even if the event itself could have been staged using social distancing

Six women murdered since Sarah Everard was murdered ?

lemsip

suziewoozie, so the cruel murder of Sarah Everard is classed as a high profile death is it?

so rent a mob come and sully the place where people walked silently with flowers as a mark of sorrow and sadness for her family.

Yes- of course it is . That’s evident - unlike the deaths of at least 6 women who have been murdered apparently since then.

as usual it sounds like a small minority used this as a chance to further their own agenda, it's disgraceful

suziewoozie, so the cruel murder of Sarah Everard is classed as a high profile death is it?

so rent a mob come and sully the place where people walked silently with flowers as a mark of sorrow and sadness for her family.

There was a vigil held in our small town; people obeyed safe distancing and wearing of masks, simply standing for one minute's silence and leaving flowers. No trouble, no police intervention, but no publicity either!

PaperMonster

And yet, Chakotay, the audio has chants of ‘shame on you’ as the Police herded the attendees closer together in contravention of Covid guidelines. And someone walking home from the vigil was flashed at and the Police didn’t want to know. I’m a million miles away from there and had there been a local vigil I would have attended, but for me someone saying they didn’t want to attend because they were scared of the police reaction speaks absolute volumes.

After I posted my reply I had a chance to speak to my sister - weekly catch up, She did go to a vigil where she lives, hers was peaceful the Police were there but did not intervene so she was horrified when she saw the scenes from Clapham on TV, however she freely admits that there no protesters carrying banners saying things like abolish the Police and shouting F.. the police and other slogans and no Police van with ACAB spray painted on it , TBH I too would have been scared to go to the one in Clapham if I thought it might be hijacked by militant elements

MaizieD thanks for clarifying the Court conclusion. I just heard the former CC of Nottingham.( I think Sarah Fish) Interviewed on radio 4. She was impressive. She criticised what she saw as Misogyny , heavy handed policing. Hers was the first force area to classify misogyny As a hate crime.
I read earlier that Gold commander on the Clapham Common vigil is the man who appears to have made a mess of the Westminster paedophile allegations. Bet he didn’t sleep well

I just feel sorry for her poor family, having all this dragged across the press. They deserve to mourn their daughter in private and with dignity.
If they should choose to campaign at a later date that would be their right, it's not for anyone else to use her name and death.

Unheard = heard and sorry for other typos