Sarah Everard vigil

If it was a gathering of any sort, vigil or protest it was not allowed under current Covid rules.

Correct me if I'm wrong but this particular event had been vetoed by the court.

You're wrong, Nell. The court basically said that it was not going to intervene and that the organisers and the police must sort it out.

I can't find the actual judgement but I can find the legal advice given to the Reclaim the Streets organisers subsequent to the judgement. Follow the link on this tweet

twitter.com/AdamWagner1/status/1371093801746448386

It is by no means cut and dried and at no point did the judge uphold the police ban on the planned vigil

PaperMonster

This was a vigil. Although it suits a certain type of individual to think otherwise. A friend of mine lives nearby and wanted to attend - but felt too scared to because of what she anticipated would be the Police reaction.

Yet I have a friend who lives nearby who didn't attend but heard the chants of F... the police clearly, her neighbour who did attend told of how she was pushed around by a group of women holding banners.

I have not read all the posts but ..........all actions have consequences. Those who went to the 'vigil' whatever their reasons, were wrong to go and gather in a crowd which is against the lockdown rules.
Consequence - the police had to get involved ............. and so it goes on.
Go, pay your respects and leave would have been better.

The rights and wrongs of the police action is a separate issue.

Thanks MaizieD I'd heard/read conflicting interpretations so appreciate the correction.

Read the linked tweet - so, not illegal as such. I wonder how well the arrested women will fare using it as their defence though if they are/have been charged.

I still think it was irresponsible and showed a lack of respect. before right come responsibilities and all.

I find this whole sorry mess such an insult to Sarah Everard's memory and her family and friends. They have more than enough to deal with at this precise moment. The gathering was against Covid-19 restrictions and the police can't win whatever they do. A peaceful vigil could have waited until after the court case and verdict.

Sarnia

I find this whole sorry mess such an insult to Sarah Everard's memory and her family and friends. They have more than enough to deal with at this precise moment. The gathering was against Covid-19 restrictions and the police can't win whatever they do. A peaceful vigil could have waited until after the court case and verdict.

I think we all feel for the family but sadly high profile deaths increasingly provoke high profile responses. No one knows how long it will be before the trial is over and the impact of the publicity has already led to the government opening its consultation and receiving a record number of responses. Also for the first time ever, high profile groups of people are meeting to discuss the issue of female abuse and violence and how it’s being responded to ( o4 not as the case may become). The last week has allowed many many women to talk about their experiences of all forms of sexual,a use, harassment and violence. If we’d all,just kept a respectful silence until the trial was over would have denied all these positive things from happening. Of course things around the vigil could have been handled differently but responsibility is across the board but with more on the authorities who should have handled it better. The most shocking story unheard today was that a rape victim giving evidence at the trial of her alleged rapist was asked what type of knickers she had been wearing. In 2020 this was thought acceptable? How have we allowed things to come to this ?

And yet, Chakotay, the audio has chants of ‘shame on you’ as the Police herded the attendees closer together in contravention of Covid guidelines. And someone walking home from the vigil was flashed at and the Police didn’t want to know. I’m a million miles away from there and had there been a local vigil I would have attended, but for me someone saying they didn’t want to attend because they were scared of the police reaction speaks absolute volumes.

Unheard = heard and sorry for other typos

I just feel sorry for her poor family, having all this dragged across the press. They deserve to mourn their daughter in private and with dignity.
If they should choose to campaign at a later date that would be their right, it's not for anyone else to use her name and death.

MaizieD thanks for clarifying the Court conclusion. I just heard the former CC of Nottingham.( I think Sarah Fish) Interviewed on radio 4. She was impressive. She criticised what she saw as Misogyny , heavy handed policing. Hers was the first force area to classify misogyny As a hate crime.
I read earlier that Gold commander on the Clapham Common vigil is the man who appears to have made a mess of the Westminster paedophile allegations. Bet he didn’t sleep well

PaperMonster

And yet, Chakotay, the audio has chants of ‘shame on you’ as the Police herded the attendees closer together in contravention of Covid guidelines. And someone walking home from the vigil was flashed at and the Police didn’t want to know. I’m a million miles away from there and had there been a local vigil I would have attended, but for me someone saying they didn’t want to attend because they were scared of the police reaction speaks absolute volumes.

After I posted my reply I had a chance to speak to my sister - weekly catch up, She did go to a vigil where she lives, hers was peaceful the Police were there but did not intervene so she was horrified when she saw the scenes from Clapham on TV, however she freely admits that there no protesters carrying banners saying things like abolish the Police and shouting F.. the police and other slogans and no Police van with ACAB spray painted on it , TBH I too would have been scared to go to the one in Clapham if I thought it might be hijacked by militant elements

There was a vigil held in our small town; people obeyed safe distancing and wearing of masks, simply standing for one minute's silence and leaving flowers. No trouble, no police intervention, but no publicity either!

suziewoozie, so the cruel murder of Sarah Everard is classed as a high profile death is it?

so rent a mob come and sully the place where people walked silently with flowers as a mark of sorrow and sadness for her family.

as usual it sounds like a small minority used this as a chance to further their own agenda, it's disgraceful

lemsip

suziewoozie, so the cruel murder of Sarah Everard is classed as a high profile death is it?

so rent a mob come and sully the place where people walked silently with flowers as a mark of sorrow and sadness for her family.

Yes- of course it is . That’s evident - unlike the deaths of at least 6 women who have been murdered apparently since then.

Six women murdered since Sarah Everard was murdered ?

PaperMonster

And yet, Chakotay, the audio has chants of ‘shame on you’ as the Police herded the attendees closer together in contravention of Covid guidelines. And someone walking home from the vigil was flashed at and the Police didn’t want to know. I’m a million miles away from there and had there been a local vigil I would have attended, but for me someone saying they didn’t want to attend because they were scared of the police reaction speaks absolute volumes.

BTW its a bit ironic them shouting shame if they were herded together by the Police, just how do you think the women got to Clapham and back in the first place, have you seen the size of the platforms on Clapham South, Common and North, have you ever been on the Northern line in rush hour or when its busy I know it all too well as I lived in the area for more than 30 years they would have been more tightly packed on public transport then they would have been by the Police, in fact thinking about it, the transport situation would have been very much in the minds of the people trying to protect others from covid even if the event itself could have been staged using social distancing

Anniebach

Six women murdered since Sarah Everard was murdered ?

I said apparently because I only had one source. What is certain is so far this year 31 women have been murdered by men or where a man is the chief suspect. The vast majority of these are low profile ie have attracted little if any media coverage. This is just a fact.

suziewoozie, I think it will be a very long time (next year?) before the high court case begins.

There's already a huge backlog due to Covid, social distancing requirements - and cramped space in traditional court buildings.

Hetty58

suziewoozie, I think it will be a very long time (next year?) before the high court case begins.

There's already a huge backlog due to Covid, social distancing requirements - and cramped space in traditional court buildings.

Well that was my first thought but who knows? Either way my point was that whether people like it or not, the women wanting change were not going to put it on hold until after the trial. It just doesn’t work like that does it, nothing to do with whether it should or not.

It’s good to know how many people are still fighting to keep women in their box.

So disheartening.

i watched it on a live feed, i would guess most people attending lived within walking distance.

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Just thought I would post this and ask what the differences are, could it possibly be the number of men at one and not at the other? After all men are so happy when they are drunk, therefore harder to arrest than women?

Actually scrub the bit about being drunk as we don’t know if they were or not.
But definitely more challenging to arrest the men.