Sarah Everard vigil

She said what I’m saying , it’s all too easy to make judgements and criticisms from the sideline.

Nanna58

I think you’ll find that impartiality is what that’s called Suziewoozie!

Not what CD said - she said if you weren’t there- which is clearly rubbish

there were (rolls eyes )

There was about 40 people attending the vigil in Liverpool who left after a minutes silence. Only a small gathering were given three fixed penalty notices.

I think you’ll find that impartiality is what that’s called Suziewoozie!

The man I am furious with is the Supreme Court judge who didn’t have the b#*ls to make a ruling which could have avoided much of the problem ?

JaneJudge Oh right, get it now.

I suppose events were different in other groups. I am not in any way justifying what has happened .... I just think that the differential in events and attendance at different vigils has to be looked at as well in considering why the London one turned into such an awful mess.

Nanna58

Beg to differ Suziewoozie, I think it was a fair and measured response. Police , Army, Fireservice - there are always armchair critics ( probably desk jockeys) who think they could have done better.

The point I was making was that investigations are carried out by people who were not there.

Madgran77

*the differential approach*

If this is referring to the difference in approach in the summer, the rules were different in the summer...?

There were enough similarities for fair comparisons I think in that mass gatherings were not allowed - BLMs, various football fans gatherings, far- right groups etc.

Madgran77

*the differential approach*

If this is referring to the difference in approach in the summer, the rules were different in the summer...?

It's refering to the fact there were other vigils and the police didn't feel they had to man handle women at those? I thought it was obvious I didn't see any other photographs of prone restraint of women elsewhere

Beg to differ Suziewoozie, I think it was a fair and measured response. Police , Army, Fireservice - there are always armchair critics ( probably desk jockeys) who think they could have done better.

A family members partner is a police officer.Last week after lying awake for hours waiting for him to come home safe from his shift she unfollowed an friend from school who despite knowing her partner felt it was OK to use a group forum to post regularly invective and hateful posts about the police.All police.One of her other lovely friends asked her to refrain on this particular group chat.Her response.I am a feminist, anti establishment and anti capitalist .Those are my views.
My DD messaged politely you are entitled to your opinions.However at this current time I no longer want to read them.I absolutely don't say the majority of the women at the Vigil/protest were of her ilk.But I can well believe she would be there purely to agitate.And no I don't think the event should have gone ahead at this present time.Light candles at home,do an online vigil.

the differential approach

If this is referring to the difference in approach in the summer, the rules were different in the summer...?

Atqui

As Dame Cressida said , words to the effect that you can’t comment unless you were there. The police have a very difficult job , and I don’t see why the commissioner should have to fall on her sword

So how come the findings of any investigations will have any credibility whatever they find? What CD said was self-serving and arrant nonsense.

In agreement with suziewoozie it's the differential approach that I have an issue with, and if anyone cannot see the irony of women being 'dragged' from Clapham Common by Policeman, well I give up really. Surely a softly-softly approach would have been more appropriate.

As Dame Cressida said , words to the effect that you can’t comment unless you were there. The police have a very difficult job , and I don’t see why the commissioner should have to fall on her sword

eazybee

This was not a vigil, it was used as a protest, in defiance of a High court ruling.

It was a vigil but was hijacked by people with another agenda.

'Sisters Uncut' is a group which pretends to be feminist but centres men. It has been trying to draw attention to itself, through this.

emmasnan

A protest or a vigil, what ever we chose to call it, or if we agree or disagree at the moment, isn't the issue.
Large gatherings are at the moment against the law.

It’s the differential treatment by the police of large gatherings that’s the issue.

A protest or a vigil, what ever we chose to call it, or if we agree or disagree at the moment, isn't the issue.
Large gatherings are at the moment against the law.

They really need to change the law on front facing restraint, it is so dangerous and is known to lead to death. The police still use it in this country and it is used in mental health treatment units and it seriously needs addressing and I'm not sure why it hasn't been.

Impartial - The revered George was resisting arrest after the commission of a crime, not by any means his first transgression

George Floyd's criminal record is completely irrelevant to the manner of his death. He was the Victim!! The Police Officer was the "perpetrator"!! He wasn't resisting arrest, he was trying to explain then grabbed and manhandled to the ground BTW. And "revered" is so sadly dismissive of a man who was apparently murdered by a police officer.

Dig down and the issue is the same - black people and women's murders are treated as collateral damage and their deaths diminished

I agree NellG. Diminished indeed.

Vigil, protest it doesn’t matter as it was against the law as it is at the moment . You cannot choose for the police to not uphold that law no matter how worthy the cause. Doorstep vigil, vociferous lobbying of your MP would have been a better way forward. Also , and I shall duck down under the parapet after this, every man who disregards, disrespects or harms a woman was once a boy brought up most probably by a woman- boys must be raised better. Ok ducking now......!

I can't help wondering what it was hoped to achieve. The sort of men who commit these atrocities aren't going to be the slightest bit bothered. If all the women in the country came out with candles these men would only see potential targets. If it leads to more convictions and stiffer punishments it still won't stop a lot of men. The man intent on attacking or murdering his wife or girlfriend is beyond thinking about consequences. More police and more CCTV may help but I have no idea what the real answer is.

The reports that I read seem to indicate that things went wrong when people could not hear the speakers so surged forward. There were no mics as it wasn't authorized. I really don't think that the police can be blamed for doing their job. The family were not in favour which surely should have held some sway.

JaneJudge

Is it a full moon?

Nope