I thought the younger generation cared about the planet?

Perhaps the organisers of the festivals could deposit skips on the field towards the end?

The organisers actually provide recycling points for tents, gazebos and camping furniture. Festival goers can deposit them there at the end of the festival, unless of course they are too lazy to even do that. I really don't see how we can make it any easier for these selfish people.

HannahLoisLuke

Alegrias1

HannahLoisLuke

vegansrock

I’ve never read any where that all younger people care about the planet and all older people don’t. Why have a go at Greta Thurnberg, XR into it? Why not mention David Attenborough? Where have they ever said that it’s all old peoples fault? There plenty of selfish young people and selfish old people, plenty of young people who care about the planet and plenty of older people who care about the planet too. These sort of sweeeping lazy generalisations just an excuse to belittle environmental campaigns.

It’s probably because Greta Thunberg stood up on a podium and actually pointed her finger and blamed the older generation.
That after taking a plane and flying to America to preach her message. Cheeky madam!

She doesn't fly anywhere. She went by boat.

Not what I heard reported. She returned by boat, agreed but I read and heard that she flew there.

Apologies if I got it wrong. I did hear it on the news though.
I still resent her blaming the older generation for the damage to the planet. I keep everything until it falls apart. Use freecycle to donate and obtain stuff. Am vegetarian for over 70 years. Don’t use single use plastics. In fact trying to not use plastic at all but that’s pretty impossible. Grow my own. Make my own eco friendly cleaning products, use bar shampoo and so on and so on.
Haven’t flown anywhere since 2011 and not much before then.
I do drive as I live off a bus route but my car is tiny and used only for hospital visits these days.
There’s a lot more but I’ve probably bored you enough.

I was absolutely fuming when I saw the carnage left behind. Young or old, what does it matter? They’re disgusting, selfish and uncaring people. The benefit of Lockdown was that the beaches and streets were pristine but now we’re back to square one. ??

I am not excusing anyone who makes a mess and leaves their litter behind them, but I do get annoyed by the generational blaming. Perhaps the organisers of the festivals could deposit skips on the field towards the end? I can safely assume that the middle aged man who regularly drops his McRubbish on my quiet road as he drives home isn't doing so because he is a spoilt brat with no experience of hard times. I keep hoping to catch his number plate. I did once follow a company van along our local country lane cut through and watched the window open and the remains of their lunch packaging, drinks cans etc come out the van window. I took a note of their number, phoned their switchboard, they were a small local contractor. By the time the woman on the phone had expressed her fury at them and told me what was waiting for them when they got back to the depot I almost felt sorry for them. Almost.

It's disgusting. I brought my daughter up to consider the environment, as I was - she wouldn't dream of behaving like this.
It's the same at our beautiful beaches - people come from outside the area & when they go back home they leave all their rubbish, with no thought for the wildlife that is damaged/killed by it. So disappointing .

Zoejory

Alegrias1

So four people employed by the organisation who provided her with a berth on the boat flew across the Atlantic after she had left the boat?

The sound of barrel bottoms being scraped....

Not really, Alegrias1

How so? It was a stunt. Good for her, I wasn't criticising.

But there was a lot of carbon foot printing going on.

Well until she achieves her aims there always will will be carbon foot printing.

I don't think it was a stunt, I think she is about as sincere as it is possible to be.

Others, I'm sure, will disagree. She is, apparently, a cheeky madam.

Never mind all the tents, what about the thousands of little capsules containing laughing gas they leave behind. Did you know the whole area has to be gone over with metal detectors before the land can be used for anything else.
And if they are capable of carrying their cans of beer etc into the festival why aren't they capable of carrying the empties back out?
No excuses.

Alegrias1

So four people employed by the organisation who provided her with a berth on the boat flew across the Atlantic after she had left the boat?

The sound of barrel bottoms being scraped....

Not really, Alegrias1

How so? It was a stunt. Good for her, I wasn't criticising.

But there was a lot of carbon foot printing going on.

I've heard of this happening before. At least if the tents go to the homeless some good will come of it. I used to be involved with distributing clothes to the homeless with the Salvation Army and we were always getting requests for tents and sleeping bags.

Sadly we have become a throw-away society. I was brought up in the days of 'make do and mend' so it is quite alien to me. I hate waste but that means I suffer from hoarding which is a problem in itself. I need to achieve a position in between. I do freegle many things I no longer need if I think they could be useful to someone.

Smileless2012

I couldn't believe it when I saw the pictures. There were so many tents I thought everyone was still there.

The throw away society.

So four people employed by the organisation who provided her with a berth on the boat flew across the Atlantic after she had left the boat?

The sound of barrel bottoms being scraped....

Greta certainly did go and return by boat. But to enable her to do so four flights were taken by crew members.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49500642

www.yachtingworld.com/sailing-across-atlantic/greta-thunberg-atlantic-crossing-la-vagabonde-125068

Maybe should review your choice of sources then.

You may criticise her for many things, but being a hypocrite isn't one of them.

Alegrias1

HannahLoisLuke

vegansrock

I’ve never read any where that all younger people care about the planet and all older people don’t. Why have a go at Greta Thurnberg, XR into it? Why not mention David Attenborough? Where have they ever said that it’s all old peoples fault? There plenty of selfish young people and selfish old people, plenty of young people who care about the planet and plenty of older people who care about the planet too. These sort of sweeeping lazy generalisations just an excuse to belittle environmental campaigns.

It’s probably because Greta Thunberg stood up on a podium and actually pointed her finger and blamed the older generation.
That after taking a plane and flying to America to preach her message. Cheeky madam!

She doesn't fly anywhere. She went by boat.

Not what I heard reported. She returned by boat, agreed but I read and heard that she flew there.

vegansrock

Yes I think they are sent to homeless/ refugee charities, so festival goers will know that, and if they aren’t going to reuse the tent they may as well leave it.

What about when the next festival happens? Do they, or more likely their parents just buy another cheap, throwaway tent and then leave that behind too?
Just because volunteers go on site and clear up their mess and donate any useable tents to charity is no excuse in my opinion.

HannahLoisLuke

vegansrock

I’ve never read any where that all younger people care about the planet and all older people don’t. Why have a go at Greta Thurnberg, XR into it? Why not mention David Attenborough? Where have they ever said that it’s all old peoples fault? There plenty of selfish young people and selfish old people, plenty of young people who care about the planet and plenty of older people who care about the planet too. These sort of sweeeping lazy generalisations just an excuse to belittle environmental campaigns.

It’s probably because Greta Thunberg stood up on a podium and actually pointed her finger and blamed the older generation.
That after taking a plane and flying to America to preach her message. Cheeky madam!

She doesn't fly anywhere. She went by boat.

vegansrock

I’ve never read any where that all younger people care about the planet and all older people don’t. Why have a go at Greta Thurnberg, XR into it? Why not mention David Attenborough? Where have they ever said that it’s all old peoples fault? There plenty of selfish young people and selfish old people, plenty of young people who care about the planet and plenty of older people who care about the planet too. These sort of sweeeping lazy generalisations just an excuse to belittle environmental campaigns.

It’s probably because Greta Thunberg stood up on a podium and actually pointed her finger and blamed the older generation.
That after taking a plane and flying to America to preach her message. Cheeky madam!

How about charging EVERY festival goer a very large deposit on entry. Refundable only on proof of exit with the tents et al.

Luckygirl

I don't feel able to judge about who does or does not care about the planet; but I am blown away by the fact that the festival-goers are rich enough to just leave all this equipment.

I was brought up in the "waste no, want not" era and this really shocks me.

Well they probably didn’t pay for it. Probably their over indulgent parents did.

It’s not just at festivals. Did you see the mess and litter left behind by XR after their last protest?
Makes me see red.
I’m in my 70s and have been doing my bit to help the planet all my life and I’m sick of these hypocritical people of any age who preach one thing and practice another.

I don't feel able to judge about who does or does not care about the planet; but I am blown away by the fact that the festival-goers are rich enough to just leave all this equipment.

I was brought up in the "waste no, want not" era and this really shocks me.

Jackiest

Some of the younger generation do care. This is why you should never generalise and think all people in one group are the same. Many people divide the world up into young, old, men, women, this race, that race instead of treating everyone as an individual.

This.

I think the facts here are that many people, however much they care about a cause tend to forget about it if remembering becomes inconvenient.

Plus the tendency many, perhaps all people have, to behave worse when they are in a large group.

They can't be bothered carting the stuff home again, so they leave it. Reprehensible, but the attitude is hard to change.

I believe that herein Denmark the problem has to some extent been solved by festival managements putting up notices stating that tents, sleeping bags and other useable items left behind will be given to one of the charities running shelters for the homeless.

Stating this conspicuously makes it legal to do so, whereas if you just pick it up and hand it over it constitues theft!

And yet.........the irony is that, according to a number of younger people, the boomers are responsible for the mess the planet is in.

I think many of us are 'Baby Boomers' that is people born in the 50's and 60's. Many of the younger generation blame us for many things including global warming. However, I was born in the 50's I can remember that nobody in my road had a car, my mother used to walk to the shops everyday where the fresh groceries were wrapped in paper not plastic, we didn't go on overseas holidays because we couldn't afford it and we passed our clothes and shoes down to our younger siblings. Everything was recycled because post war many people were poor, many home didn't have electricity or heating and finally we didn't have any electronic devices so I am not sure how we are responsible for Global warming.