I thought the younger generation cared about the planet?

Alegrias1

HannahLoisLuke

vegansrock

I’ve never read any where that all younger people care about the planet and all older people don’t. Why have a go at Greta Thurnberg, XR into it? Why not mention David Attenborough? Where have they ever said that it’s all old peoples fault? There plenty of selfish young people and selfish old people, plenty of young people who care about the planet and plenty of older people who care about the planet too. These sort of sweeeping lazy generalisations just an excuse to belittle environmental campaigns.

It’s probably because Greta Thunberg stood up on a podium and actually pointed her finger and blamed the older generation.
That after taking a plane and flying to America to preach her message. Cheeky madam!

She doesn't fly anywhere. She went by boat.

Not what I heard reported. She returned by boat, agreed but I read and heard that she flew there.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-49500642

www.yachtingworld.com/sailing-across-atlantic/greta-thunberg-atlantic-crossing-la-vagabonde-125068

Maybe should review your choice of sources then.

You may criticise her for many things, but being a hypocrite isn't one of them.

Greta certainly did go and return by boat. But to enable her to do so four flights were taken by crew members.

So four people employed by the organisation who provided her with a berth on the boat flew across the Atlantic after she had left the boat?

The sound of barrel bottoms being scraped....

Smileless2012

I couldn't believe it when I saw the pictures. There were so many tents I thought everyone was still there.

The throw away society.

I've heard of this happening before. At least if the tents go to the homeless some good will come of it. I used to be involved with distributing clothes to the homeless with the Salvation Army and we were always getting requests for tents and sleeping bags.

Sadly we have become a throw-away society. I was brought up in the days of 'make do and mend' so it is quite alien to me. I hate waste but that means I suffer from hoarding which is a problem in itself. I need to achieve a position in between. I do freegle many things I no longer need if I think they could be useful to someone.

Alegrias1

So four people employed by the organisation who provided her with a berth on the boat flew across the Atlantic after she had left the boat?

The sound of barrel bottoms being scraped....

Not really, Alegrias1

How so? It was a stunt. Good for her, I wasn't criticising.

But there was a lot of carbon foot printing going on.

Never mind all the tents, what about the thousands of little capsules containing laughing gas they leave behind. Did you know the whole area has to be gone over with metal detectors before the land can be used for anything else.
And if they are capable of carrying their cans of beer etc into the festival why aren't they capable of carrying the empties back out?
No excuses.

Zoejory

Alegrias1

So four people employed by the organisation who provided her with a berth on the boat flew across the Atlantic after she had left the boat?

The sound of barrel bottoms being scraped....

Not really, Alegrias1

How so? It was a stunt. Good for her, I wasn't criticising.

But there was a lot of carbon foot printing going on.

Well until she achieves her aims there always will will be carbon foot printing.

I don't think it was a stunt, I think she is about as sincere as it is possible to be.

Others, I'm sure, will disagree. She is, apparently, a cheeky madam.

It's disgusting. I brought my daughter up to consider the environment, as I was - she wouldn't dream of behaving like this.
It's the same at our beautiful beaches - people come from outside the area & when they go back home they leave all their rubbish, with no thought for the wildlife that is damaged/killed by it. So disappointing .

I am not excusing anyone who makes a mess and leaves their litter behind them, but I do get annoyed by the generational blaming. Perhaps the organisers of the festivals could deposit skips on the field towards the end? I can safely assume that the middle aged man who regularly drops his McRubbish on my quiet road as he drives home isn't doing so because he is a spoilt brat with no experience of hard times. I keep hoping to catch his number plate. I did once follow a company van along our local country lane cut through and watched the window open and the remains of their lunch packaging, drinks cans etc come out the van window. I took a note of their number, phoned their switchboard, they were a small local contractor. By the time the woman on the phone had expressed her fury at them and told me what was waiting for them when they got back to the depot I almost felt sorry for them. Almost.

I was absolutely fuming when I saw the carnage left behind. Young or old, what does it matter? They’re disgusting, selfish and uncaring people. The benefit of Lockdown was that the beaches and streets were pristine but now we’re back to square one. ??

HannahLoisLuke

Alegrias1

HannahLoisLuke

vegansrock

I’ve never read any where that all younger people care about the planet and all older people don’t. Why have a go at Greta Thurnberg, XR into it? Why not mention David Attenborough? Where have they ever said that it’s all old peoples fault? There plenty of selfish young people and selfish old people, plenty of young people who care about the planet and plenty of older people who care about the planet too. These sort of sweeeping lazy generalisations just an excuse to belittle environmental campaigns.

It’s probably because Greta Thunberg stood up on a podium and actually pointed her finger and blamed the older generation.
That after taking a plane and flying to America to preach her message. Cheeky madam!

She doesn't fly anywhere. She went by boat.

Not what I heard reported. She returned by boat, agreed but I read and heard that she flew there.

Apologies if I got it wrong. I did hear it on the news though.
I still resent her blaming the older generation for the damage to the planet. I keep everything until it falls apart. Use freecycle to donate and obtain stuff. Am vegetarian for over 70 years. Don’t use single use plastics. In fact trying to not use plastic at all but that’s pretty impossible. Grow my own. Make my own eco friendly cleaning products, use bar shampoo and so on and so on.
Haven’t flown anywhere since 2011 and not much before then.
I do drive as I live off a bus route but my car is tiny and used only for hospital visits these days.
There’s a lot more but I’ve probably bored you enough.

Perhaps the organisers of the festivals could deposit skips on the field towards the end?

The organisers actually provide recycling points for tents, gazebos and camping furniture. Festival goers can deposit them there at the end of the festival, unless of course they are too lazy to even do that. I really don't see how we can make it any easier for these selfish people.

Just look at what the young ones have in their homes. Did we have TVs, washing machines, dryers, microwaves, dishwashers,fridges when we got married? We certainly didn’t and neither did any of our friends. Did we fly around the world and have a car each ? No. Did we use plastic nappies and plastic bags? No. But do we say they are ruining the environment?

The ruining of the planet can apply across the generations. Young and old people drop litter, use plastic, do or don’t recycle etc.
I don’t mind GT raising awareness-that sort of publicity, although spread worldwide by the use of energy consuming devices, is the sort of reminder we need. I thought young people would be far more likely to listen to her, than to David Attenborough for example.
The problem is that people, young or old still don’t see their actions as what causes global warming. (GW)
School children got dropped off/picked up by car to gather and demonstrate about GW and left their fast food wrappers all over the place.
Festival campers dumped their equipment.
People of all generations gathered on beaches and in parks and left others to clear up their mess.
People (me included) like cars, holidays, electrical equipment, food from abroad with a huge carbon footprint.
All generations must try to do something, however small, but I don’t know how we can stop GW.
Playing the generation blame game will not help.

My brother ( in his 70s) along with other Rotarians, goes to Weston Park after their festivals to collect tents, make up complete tents and then pack them to send to disaster zones. We are the reuse society!

Nanna8 but I bet most of you and your friends now have tv, microwave, tumble dryer, washing machine and fly off on holiday etc. All because you didn't have them a few years ago. How many of those polishing their halos had coal fires and cars guzzling leaded petrol?

There is a lot of stereotyping going on, on this thread

Well thunberg started it!
I think she is still banging on about how the young will be left to clear up the mess older people have made of the planet.

I think she is still banging on about how the young will be left to clear up the mess older people have made of the planet.

And she's right. However saintly we all think we were last century, we used up the planets resources, we polluted like there was no tomorrow and now those in charge won't do anything about it except turn up at useless climate change conferences and show off about their targets which they will never meet.

I'm sure we weren't saintly, any more than any other group in society.
Good and bad apples in all groups of people.

MissAdventure

I'm sure we weren't saintly, any more than any other group in society.
Good and bad apples in all groups of people.

Agreed. Division between generations is deflecting from the real issue.

Agreed. Division between generations is deflecting from the real issue.

Exactly what I was thinking.

That's part of the problem with most issues though - whether the factions are political, gender-based, age-based, whatever. So many people pend so much time screaming about what was/wasn't done instead of using their time and energy to look for a way forward.

It seems a lot of posters here might have forgotten all those cheap flights with Ryanair, easyJet,. And the cruises they’ve mentioned, the diesel cars they drove because it was cheaper.
Every time you click buy now. You/ we are all adding to it.
People in glass houses ?