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Pammie1 Tue 15-Feb-22 16:16:46

News has just broken that Prince Andrew has settled out of court with Virginia Giuffre Two things puzzle me. Andrew has vehemently stated his innocence and opted for trial by jury (although Virginia Giuffre opted for this as the plaintiff, so I don’t think he had much choice) so what does he have to gain by settling ? And Giuffre has always been adamant that it wasn’t about money, but that she wanted to prove that no one was above the law. What do we think changed ?

Granniesunite Tue 15-Feb-22 18:56:11

Think about it ladies . The power of the best the law can provide! Would you give in if you knew you were innocent . Makes no sense to capitulate if you don’t need to.

Pantglas2 Tue 15-Feb-22 18:49:24

Elizabeth27

If someone accused me of a crime I did not commit I would not pay compensation to make it go away.

Agreed, and if someone offered me money to shut up about how they’d harmed me, no amount would keep me quiet.

There are two ways to look at this development and we’ll never know which is right.

Deedaa Tue 15-Feb-22 18:48:59

The problem with a civil case is that it doesn't require the same level of proof. I knew someone who would have been much better off settling in a case that would never have stood up in a police court. Losing the photo is interesting, you'd think she might have kept hold of it as a souvenir if nothing else.

annodomini Tue 15-Feb-22 18:36:22

I think that Andrew has realised how frail the Queen has become recently and has decided to spare her any more embarrassment.

Elizabeth27 Tue 15-Feb-22 18:20:44

If someone accused me of a crime I did not commit I would not pay compensation to make it go away.

GillT57 Tue 15-Feb-22 17:37:35

MissAdventure

In my vast experience of legal processes (meaning I watch a lot of youtube videos, so have none at all! ) civil cases are often the only redress people have, with regards to getting some sort of an admission, when the legal system is against them.

Yes I believe the rape charges against the Raith rovers footballer was a civil case due to difficulties in bringing a criminal prosecution.

tickingbird Tue 15-Feb-22 17:22:10

Callistemon. I do hope that she and her family have not been threatened

I think if any of that was going on it would have happened a long time ago. The damage has already been done.

Blossoming Tue 15-Feb-22 17:16:06

Petera

MissAdventure

I don't think anything has changed.
His payment is an admission of guilt, as far as I'm concerned, which is what she wanted.

Also his payment is to her charity. I expect she'll be able to access this for reasonable expenses in running the charity; but it's hardly the bonanza that some people were claiming she was after.

Yes, I agree.

Peasblossom Tue 15-Feb-22 17:16:02

As I’ve said on another thread, she has litigation against other men in the pipeline.

Any question that she faked the photo would affect the outcome if those actions.

Callistemon21 Tue 15-Feb-22 17:13:30

I do hope that she and her family have not been threatened.

Not by Prince Andrew or the Royal Family but by other powerful people hiding in the shadows.

Bridgeit Tue 15-Feb-22 17:10:55

Not so much a puzzle , more a case of time to put it to rest.
Well let’s bl- - - y hope so.

M0nica Tue 15-Feb-22 17:07:06

I suspect tha PA, just wanted it over and done with. Full stop - and reaching an out of court settlement is the best way to do it.

His reputation has been so trashed over the last couple of years, that even if he had been criminally convicted, his reputation could not fall lower.

VioletSky Tue 15-Feb-22 17:03:38

Well, he has paid dearly for his crimes as it should be.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 15-Feb-22 17:01:56

Yes there is Smileless.

silverlining48 Tue 15-Feb-22 17:01:46

Generally innocent people do not pay off their accuser. Given his close friendship with Epstein and Maxwell, both found guilty of sexual offences against young girls and the dreadful tv interview I believe him to be guilty. She was underage.

MissAdventure Tue 15-Feb-22 17:01:28

Only in people's minds.
Which was the point, I think.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 15-Feb-22 17:00:40

Nothing has been proved, nor will it now.

VioletSky Tue 15-Feb-22 16:58:20

Germanshepherdsmum

VS if your mother was HM you might VS.

I wouldn't behave the way he does in general

Smileless2012 Tue 15-Feb-22 16:58:00

Yes, he "accepts that she is a victim" but not his victim, there's a big difference.

Peasblossom Tue 15-Feb-22 16:57:08

I think it means the photo was a fake and she knew that her case wouldn’t stand up in court.

And he knew that even if he could win against her a raft of other undesirable details would be made public.

They are both nasty pieces of work but I suppose you could say they’ve both got what they wanted.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 15-Feb-22 16:53:19

I don’t agree wwm, as I have just said to you on the other thread.

MissAdventure Tue 15-Feb-22 16:52:28

Why wouldn't she settle?
It's a civil case.
He isnt going to be dragged off to prison.
A lot of families of murder victims settle after the legal process has been found lacking.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 15-Feb-22 16:50:10

Germanshepherdsmum

It saves the case overshadowing the Queen’s Jubilee Year.
However VG said she wouldn’t settle - I suspect the famous photo suddenly having been lost, so not available for expert scrutiny, is not unconnected with her sudden willingness to settle. It brings her credibility into question once again.

No that is wrong. Windsor commends her bravery and accepts that she is a victim.

The reason for out of court settlement is because he was never going to court.

Smileless2012 Tue 15-Feb-22 16:49:24

If it implies guilt it also implies deception on her part IMO. Why has she settled?

It appears as if one thing that has damaged her case is the disappearance of that photograph that PA's team are no longer able to have examined with regard to its authenticity.

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 15-Feb-22 16:47:55

VS if your mother was HM you might VS.