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Is a Brit entitled to an opinion ...

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Kali2 Thu 03-Mar-22 19:12:52

Imagine a Brit who goes to live abroad, lets say, France, as a teenager on a short work placement. And then stays for much longer, getting married to a local, becoming fluent in the language, getting local qualifications, having children and working locally. Gets completely integrated and accepted. Then after retirement, goes back to UK to help with elderly parents, but retains a property and spends a lot of time back in France, as their main family is there, and friends- their whole life actually, in so many ways- and having gained French nationality over 50 years ago.

Now does that Brit give up any right to have an opinion about what is happening in France, where they have spent all their adult life- because they have temporarily returned to Britain- and that because they are so disappointed to see things changing for the worse back in wherever they so admired and loved- actually more than the UK in so many ways.

A simple open question.

Callistemon21 Thu 03-Mar-22 20:45:39

Casdon

There’s a difference between an opinion and a vote though, isn’t there? We can all have opinions on anything and everything. I think we should only be able to vote in one country, that of our main residence.

My dual nationality family members were allowed to vote here for 15 years although they live overseas but felt that they shouldn't do so.

Callistemon21 Thu 03-Mar-22 20:53:40

A simple open question

No, it's loaded

Nannarose Thu 03-Mar-22 21:18:49

It does seem to be a loaded question, but am interested in who says you shouldn't have an opinion!
There are rules about voting - which is the constitutional expression of your opinion.
If you are talking about general discussion with your friends and family, then that's something you talk about with them.
It sounds like you have a lot of hurt, and someone isn't listening to you.

MerylStreep Thu 03-Mar-22 21:28:39

I have no problem with people having an opinion of the uk. I have a thousand and one opinions of a large number of countries ?
What I do have a problem with, is, people who don’t live in the uk who honestly believe they have superior knowledge about my country than I do.

Oopsadaisy1 Thu 03-Mar-22 21:31:52

My BIL emigrated and took dual citizenship, he felt that he had the right to express his many opinions (constantly) on both countries.
If you have pay your taxes and live that other country then of course you have a right to your opinions, whether anyone will want to hear them is another matter.

SueDonim Thu 03-Mar-22 21:53:43

Viewing somewhere from afar can give a very different picture from that of being up close.

Germanshepherdsmum Thu 03-Mar-22 21:56:14

Such an obvious follow on from criticism on another thread. Open question my foot (to be polite).

Callistemon21 Thu 03-Mar-22 22:02:31

So much happening in the world!! So many displaced people. People killed, people drowned.
sad

Quite frankly, I'm not really bovvered.

MerylStreep Thu 03-Mar-22 22:44:37

Callistemon
Your right, best ignored.

merlotgran Thu 03-Mar-22 23:34:03

It’s getting like Groundhog Day!

I may have said that before ?

Mollygo Thu 03-Mar-22 23:35:34

Does the OP feel she has been prevented from expressing an opinion? Being prevented is different from having your opinion disliked or rejected.

Spinnaker Thu 03-Mar-22 23:41:02

Not an open question at all, more like a loaded gun ! Kittylester has it exactly right.

Kamiso Fri 04-Mar-22 00:00:31

I have no idea what the problem is and why anyone would think they aren’t allowed to have an opinion. There are hundreds of opinions expressed on GN every day.

Kalu Fri 04-Mar-22 00:29:08

Of course every one is allowed an opinion but if one’s opinion is repeatedly negative of a country they once lived in, they must accept their opinions will be challenged. I would think that would be obvious unless one has no self awareness.

No one likes to hear someone who once lived in their country continually listing everything that is wrong with it.

mokryna Fri 04-Mar-22 03:10:44

Expats living abroad still love their country but it may not be economically viable to live there but they still have their opinions. You only have to look at the Ukrainians going back to the fight.
Expats can also see a different view as they can read other papers/ see other programs. —therefore not brainwashed—Re The Sun on Merseyside remain vote in the Brexit.
Expats were not allowed register their opinions regarding Brexit because it was know they didn’t think it was a good idea for their country even though some still pay UK taxes.

Freya5 Fri 04-Mar-22 05:22:23

A Brit, such, I feel, a derogatory term. As much as yank, kraut and frog, all derogotary terms for people from those countries. First used by ira during the troubles, I am British, not a Brit.

nanna8 Fri 04-Mar-22 05:49:31

We can't vote in the UK ( not that I'd want to) and our very very small British pensions were frozen from the moment they started paying them many years ago at $11 a week. We worked for them when we were there but they don't care. Not known for their generosity the British government. Britain is a wonderful country but their government is greedy.

Ailidh Fri 04-Mar-22 05:50:18

Bodach

"..my 14 year old, 3-legged, Romanian rescued dog".
Well, Òlach-Bodach, it seems we're not too far apart in dog years, nor (I bet) in aches and pains. Welcome to the Gàidhealtachd - agus oidhche mhath!

Tapadh leat!
Agus madainn mhath a-nis - bidh mi ag èirigh Glè Thràth!

It being bad manners to use a language not understood by the majority:
Thank you!
And good morning now - I get up Very Early!

Hm. Maybe I should start a new thread? (Open question/ceist fhosgailte)

ComeonEileen Fri 04-Mar-22 06:14:19

Expats can also see a different view as they can read other papers/ see other programs. —therefore not brainwashed—Re The Sun on Merseyside remain vote in the Brexit

I would seriously challenge the idea that anybody in a free society is brainwashed and don’t quite get the reference to The Sun and Merseyside. confused
Anybody is free to access other TV channels/news media who chooses to. And I would question the notion that you must live outside a country to remain unbiased too.
(Like Freya I abhor the term Brit, finding it derogatory and IMHO not something we in the U.K. would use)
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Freya5 Fri 04-Mar-22 07:11:13

ComeonEileen

^Expats can also see a different view as they can read other papers/ see other programs. —therefore not brainwashed—Re The Sun on Merseyside remain vote in the Brexit^

I would seriously challenge the idea that anybody in a free society is brainwashed and don’t quite get the reference to The Sun and Merseyside. confused
Anybody is free to access other TV channels/news media who chooses to. And I would question the notion that you must live outside a country to remain unbiased too.
(Like Freya I abhor the term Brit, finding it derogatory and IMHO not something we in the U.K. would use)
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Very well said. People, who possibly haven’t lived in the U.K. for years, are very quick to deride us. I too read different aspects of the news, as for the reference to Liverpool and the Sun,after Hillsborough where 97 people died, the sun, who put the blame on the fans, is quite rightly, derided in that City. Obviously not a well read and advised commentor or, perhaps from outside the U.K. The sun is seen as a news outlet read by people with no intelligence, a nasty view by the supposed liberal elite.

Oopsadaisy1 Fri 04-Mar-22 08:32:29

Does any other country refer to itself as ‘Expats’ apart from the British? if we go to live abroad surely we become Immigrants.

I’d be interested to hear if other nations refer to themselves as Expats if they move abroad?

Urmstongran Fri 04-Mar-22 08:36:47

God loves a trier Kali2! You are like a rubber ball sometimes. You do make me chuckle. GN forums would be more anodyne without you!

You stir the ? nest for sure.

Kandinsky Fri 04-Mar-22 08:37:54

Yes. I too find the word ‘Brit’ offensive.

I’m English or British - not a ‘Brit’

So have my opinion.

Nannarose Fri 04-Mar-22 08:42:57

Just FYI - the Sun expressed unpleasant opinions about Liverpudlians a long time ago.

I am also interested as, although I don't tend to use the term 'Brit' I hadn't thought of it as derogatory - but now I see just what you mean - so thank you.

Witzend Fri 04-Mar-22 08:53:06

Yes, they’re entitled to an opinion, but whether expressing a critical opinion to natives of that country is a good idea, is another matter.

Must say I’ve more than once been irritated by people who’ve chosen to live and work in the U.K., moaning about this or that. Though most often it’s been Aussies complaining about the weather.

Er, this is Northern Europe in winter - exactly what were you expecting? If you wanted a relatively balmy Mediterranean climate perhaps you should have gone elsewhere.