Is a Brit entitled to an opinion ...

MerylStreep

Kali2
The uk is a nation of porkers …….. discuss.
Ring any bells.

MayBee70
This was put up by the kindest person you’ve ever known
I hope you’ve never had that this problem.

The UK is a nation of -porkers- discuss (454 Posts)

Add comment | Report | Private message | Quote granjua Sat 15-Aug-15 11:07:26

leave you to it

Not the kindest of opening posts !

And telling us how she’s off to go foraging in the mountains with her many ‘young friends’.

I’m not a Brit. It’s derogatory in the same was that calling folks Frogs, Gerries , Ities, chinks and more is

I’m puzzled that kali2 remains determined to remain centre stage, drawing endless attention to her life experience. It’s rather self absorbed especially when presenting self as a victim

MerylStreep

As a matter of fact I don’t ? I was looking for someone else and there it was.
The problem that some posters have go back a long way.
Report if you wish. Not bothered, I’m used to it now ?

That was a coincidence.

You going to pick a fight with Prof Currie?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-wales-22564840

Context is all. He thinks we're lazy, too.

No, of course the country can be criticised, as can any other, but the amount of criticism by this particular poster grates.

Mamie

So just out of interest Germanshephersmum is it only British people living abroad who can't criticise or is nobody allowed to criticise a country in which they do not live? That might stop quite a lot of Gransnet threads?

No, you're just fine Mamie

MayBee70

MerylStreep

Kali2
The uk is a nation of porkers …….. discuss.
Ring any bells.

MayBee70
This was put up by the kindest person you’ve ever known
I hope you’ve never had that this problem.

Good grief. Do you keep notes on everything that people say?

Some posts are so rude they stick in your mind.

Or, if you have been driven off Gransnet by a personal battering from a poster then it does tend to stay in the memory.
I was innocent and naive then.

As a matter of fact I don’t ? I was looking for someone else and there it was.
The problem that some posters have go back a long way.
Report if you wish. Not bothered, I’m used to it now ?

Cross post MayBee70!

MerylStreep

Kali2
The uk is a nation of porkers …….. discuss.
Ring any bells.

MayBee70
This was put up by the kindest person you’ve ever known
I hope you’ve never had that this problem.

Dear god, its 7 1/2 years old.

Are you keeping a list? This smacks of a vendetta.

MerylStreep

Kali2
The uk is a nation of porkers …….. discuss.
Ring any bells.

MayBee70
This was put up by the kindest person you’ve ever known
I hope you’ve never had that this problem.

Good grief. Do you keep notes on everything that people say?

My dd has lived very happily in Europe for over 15 years with no intention to return. Since Brexit, which none of us voted fir, she began to be quite critical of the UK. I agree with a lot she says, yet somehow resent her criticism too. It can be quite awkward sometimes.

Kali2
The uk is a nation of porkers …….. discuss.
Ring any bells.

MayBee70
This was put up by the kindest person you’ve ever known
I hope you’ve never had that this problem.

So just out of interest Germanshephersmum is it only British people living abroad who can't criticise or is nobody allowed to criticise a country in which they do not live? That might stop quite a lot of Gransnet threads?

I know you’re a fan Maybee but I have to disagree with your analysis. It’s certainly not the way the comments come across to me. I don’t like seeing my country criticised by someone who has chosen to live elsewhere, nor do I like being called a Brit.

Germanshepherdsmum

So what exactly is the point, given the criticism you have received for the negative views you have repeatedly voiced about the UK?

That’s not true. If she voices an opinion it’s because she loves this country and loved the values it used to have pre brexit. As do I.

I think Kali2 that I would say that it is easier to get your point across if you present it calmly and avoid showing too much anger and emotion in your writing. I don't claim to get this right all the time by any means, but I do try.

So what exactly is the point, given the criticism you have received for the negative views you have repeatedly voiced about the UK?

Germanshepherdsmum

The point of this thread is OP having a dig.

Not at all. Some of you have been having a dig at me for
y e a r s.

A simple explanation here.

If asked for an opinion discretion should be used. Who is asking at the forefront having put my foot in it on more than one occasion

nana8, I have said it again, and some more- I fell in love with England, lock, stock and barrel- and have been a huge lover of this amazing country all my life.

But I hate what is happening to it- what has happened since the campaign for the Referendum, all the lies, fraud, Russian interference and how the Conservative Party are up to their neck in dirty Russian money, illegal behaviour by this Governement, ever since Johnson has been in power.

And I have said it before, it is BECAUSE I love England so much, and chose to live there for all my adult life, and still have all my close family there - that I feel so strongly about it.
I feel it very strongly and personally - BECAUSE I so admired to England, the UK, stood for.

As said, since 1970, I have never ever felt any discrimination in the way I have felt here on so many occasions. The point of this thread was to say ' I would you feel, as a British born and bred person who moved to another country as a teenager- and after 50 years, you were told you have no right to feel that what is happening is wrong, sad, and a true blight on this wonderful country.

Simple.

Oopsadaisy1

Does any other country refer to itself as ‘Expats’ apart from the British? if we go to live abroad surely we become Immigrants.

I’d be interested to hear if other nations refer to themselves as Expats if they move abroad?

Yes, they do. We were ‘expats’ in Indonesia and West Africa. We were there on a limited time scale and maintained contacts with the UK.

There were Australia and NZ, S African, American, French, Israeli, Zimbabwean, Venezuelan, Brazilian, Ghanaian, Chinese and more people there. They all regarded themselves as expats because they all intended to either move on to another country or return to their original country eventually.

Otoh, my son in America isn’t an expat. He’s been there 20 years this year and is a dual-citizen. Although he’s an avid consider of news and current affairs he does feel distanced from the UK now. Likewise my French DIL who had been in the UK for 20+ years also feels distanced from France now. She’s always glad to return to the UK, she says.

I can’t say I have come across any uk haters but maybe I have missed something. Haters is a strong word and a rather odd way of describing people. Don’t want to be boring but we have 4 seasons here. The weather ranges from about 3C in Winter to about 42C in Summer. Australia is a very big country, covers different time zones and many different types of weather from tropical down to very similar temperatures to the warmer parts of the uk . Tasmania is not usually that hot and neither are parts of Victoria. In Winter we huddle up over fires

Callistemon ''The confusion seems to have arisen because she said she has lost all her rights to join a French Grans Forum for some reason.''

you've got completely the wrong end of the stick here. I attempted to put the boot, as it were, on the other foot, so it can be looked at from a different angle- a British person who arrived in another country as a kid and lived all her life there - and then moved back in retirement for a while, and still feels very French, or whatever- and concerned to see what is happening to her country of adoption- where all her close family still is. And then being told, on a GN Forum in France, or whatever country that person lived all her adult life, that she is not entitled to say how disappointed and more, to what is happening to that country, under a new Government which is changing all the good and wonderful things she admired.

Thanks for you post Mamie- did you arrive in France as a teenager? Did you get French nationality after a few years? Are vou married to a French man and have French children. Do you have a French Uni Degree? I believe you don't, and with due respect (and in this case I do mean it as such) - a very different situation.

This is not about France, or Switzerland- just an example.

nanna8

One of the reasons we left was the lousy weather, we were sick of not having a proper Summer. There are so many other good things in the uk though. I am totally envious of all the wonderful old buildings and old ,old objects. Fabulous works of art, the humour, the pubs. We have nothing like it here. Of course we have different things,as do other countries and I love my country and ( most) of my countrymen. Just now I feel proud of all those ‘earth angels’helping people cope with the flooding which they are not reporting on over there for some reason. It is the worst since about the 1870s apparently. Absolute disaster.

How much coverage has there been in Australia of the storms we in the NE of Scotland have experienced this Winter? Btw, I know about the floods in your country, it’s been covered here in the news.