Is a Brit entitled to an opinion ...

Thank you MerylStreep.
Actually the things I like least about France are the food (up its own backside and boring) and the fashion (very nice but what's it for?).
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The point of this thread is OP having a dig.

Haven't read the whole thread, but a quick google revealed that France has the most liberal attitude of any country to citizens living abroad and their voting rights. So what is the point of this thread? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_expatriates_to_vote_in_their_country_of_origin

ComeonEileen

Oh give it a rest Kali2
Even dead horses stop being flogged eventually.

Thanks for that. Sooooo funny ?

Mamie
I always enjoy your posts. You’ve often given us a true and honest perspective of the way things are in France, thank you.

As a Brit living in France...
1. I am a migrant not an expat. An expat is somebody working abroad for a company who will return to their home country when the job is done.
2. I think I remain pretty well informed about UK issues and I reserve the right to comment based on my understanding from a variety of sources including close family. I expect to be corrected if my information is factually incorrect.
3. I like living in France, I do not consider it perfect, but I will argue strongly against negative perceptions based on biased or wrong information from dubious sources.
4. This all feels like irrelevant navel gazing given what is happening in the world at the moment.

Terribull!!
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Slamming the door is such a good idea!

My inclination is that some people have a chippy and combative nature which often morphs into a persecution complex. I would ask myself if I'm at daggers drawn with some of the people some of the time, maybe not unusual but a majority of the people most of the time .........well?

I had a boss like that, he'd often ask in a rhetorical way, having crossed swords with his wife, employees, clients even for the umpteenth time "Is it me?" the tedium of it because I knew him well, situated in an adjacent office shouted my response "yes definitely you!" and slammed the door before he could reply.

Total waste of time.

Callistemon21

Others may want to contribute more, though.

It ain't over until it reaches 1,000 posts

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Maybe not, Kitty, but I wish Kali that you would say what you mean. You're playing fast and loose with our time.

If your complaint is that while domiciled in England you (and many like you) are not entitled to vote in France despite your dual nationality, and you want opinions for and against that situation, please say so clearly. Not that there is anything that we we in the UK can do about it.

I think that Kali is Swiss, not French winterwhite and British also. The confusion seems to have arisen because she said she has lost all her rights to join a French Grans Forum for some reason.

Hey ho, here we go, losing sight of what really matters!!
Again.
Groundhog Day as another poster said.

I'm pretty sure kali isn't French.

ComeonEileen

Callistemon did you not see the pics I posted -a selection from many news reports available?
These were from Sky News, the Guardian and the Telegraph.
Faced with the enormity of what is going on in Ukraine, though nobody should be surprised that these stories are being pushed off the front pages.

I wasn't suggesting front page reports, main items of news.
Most people seem unaware.

Just five minutes at the end of the main news.
I have seen pictures, DD sent me plenty, thank you though.

Kali2 the French elections aren't until April as you know, so why talk in this obscure hypothetical way?

If your complaint is that while domiciled in England you (and many like you) are not entitled to vote in France despite your dual nationality, and you want opinions for and against that situation, please say so clearly. Not that there is anything that we we in the UK can do about it.

I don't see this as having anything to do with discrimination, race or Brexit.

Off the top of my head I'm inclined to think that people should be entitled to vote in only one country, and that should be the country where they pay their taxes.

Or perhaps start a separate thread on the French electionss though I don't suppose many of us have been following it very closely.

Callistemon did you not see the pics I posted -a selection from many news reports available?
These were from Sky News, the Guardian and the Telegraph.
Faced with the enormity of what is going on in Ukraine, though nobody should be surprised that these stories are being pushed off the front pages.

Callistemon21

^I don't see them being subjected to pile ons every time they post^

Perhaps because they are reasonable and their posts are not offensive?
Just a thought.

Exactly!

Others may want to contribute more, though.

It ain't over until it reaches 1,000 posts

Anyway we may as well stop adding to the thread. Kali2 has done with it she said. I’m out too now.
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Kali2 does love to stir the pot frequently though.
I think that’s the main difference between her and others in a similar situation.
I think she’s a bit of a Marmite character!

I don't see them being subjected to pile ons every time they post

Perhaps because they are reasonable and their posts are not offensive?
Just a thought.

We have a number of British citizens (or ex British citizens) living abroad posting on this site. I don't notice them being personally attacked for expressing their opinions or drawing attention to foreign media views of the UK. Or being accused of hating the UK.

Likewise, a number of British citizens who live in the UK are highly critical of aspects of the country they live in, like our corrupt Russian funded government and our ridiculous severance from the EU. Or the need for Scottish independence.

While they might occasionally be accused of hating the UK by people who have no better argument to offer I don't see them being subjected to pile ons every time they post..

How can reporting actual policies of any country be considered 'racist'? If they are not true, then refute the claim, if they are true then own it. No country is beyond criticism, even those we love.

ComeonEileen

^I feel proud of all those ‘earth angels’helping people cope with the flooding which they are not reporting on over there for some reason. It is the worst since about the 1870s apparently. Absolute disaster^

The Australian floods are most certainly being reported here as were the last bush fires.

I think I prefer U.K. weather and four actual seasons to either extreme.

ComeonEileen
Barely a mention on either ITV or BBC main news.
Obviously the dreadful situation in Ukraine is the absolute priority now
But a five minute update on other news could well be included at the end. The dreadful floods in SE Australia where people have drowned, Covid (what Covid?) are still happening but many are totally unaware of it.

Urmstongran

I beg to differ. Kali2 certainly doesn’t hate this country.
She just thinks any country living under EU ruling is superior.
She’s entitled that opinion.
A lot of Remainers can’t and won’t let it go.
I understand that.
They are still annoyed about the referendum.

There's a difference between being annoyed about the referendum result, and being frustrated at what it has resulted in.

And what does 'letting it go' really mean anyway? Since 1975 Eurosceptics have been actively working to wean us away from membership because they didn't accept it. They didn't let it go either. It has been a subject for discussion ever since - hence the last referendum.

Is there a logical reason why it should now be excluded from political debate? A huge constitutional change to our whole way of life - and we're not to talk about it's consequences?

I'm not debating the issue itself - nor the fact that Cameron promised to abide by the result of the referendum, which he did - having made the promise, he had to. We have left and that is a fact. I'm just puzzled why so many think it's now a subject that should not be discussed further - particularly in light of the fact that Brexit is an ongoing change and will be for many years to come.

As for @Kali2 - I'm not sure where she's coming from, but I agree that she doesn't hate this country. But she is highly critical of it. Which is also a bit of a puzzle because we are a nation of differing - disparate - individuals, and the idea that EU = 'good', Britain = 'bad'... if that is the case - is clearly nonsensical.

I'm not attacking you Urmstongran - this isn't personal, I quite enjoy some of your postings - your sense of humour - I'm genuinely interested in why Leavers subscribe to the view that Brexit - as the dust settles - is now a 'closed' subject, because we know more now than we did prior to it.

Would you not read this as extremely discriminatory, and yes borderline 'racist'.

No

I'm confused - I thought you were Swiss, Kali
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word racist and to accuse others of that is very wrong indeed.

And yes, I do understand that you are angry at being banned from Ex-pat sites (in France?) because, yes, you are entitled to an opinion on French politics too, but you have to accept also that other posters are entitled to express an opinion.

Being told a jokey remark is obscene when it was not in the slightest, as you did to Lucca and me is bound to annoy other posters.
I don't think you understand the meaning of the word obscene either.