Assigned female at birth

Of course if you don't understand the difference between statements and applause that explains why you'd accuse someone of cheerleading when they obviously aren't.

That'll be it .

Fortunately, I do have a sense of humour, or I'd be in a permanent state of apoplexy on these threads. I'm happy to be disagreed with, and believe it or not I do have a certain sympathy when someone puts their foot in it - it can happen to the best of us - but having my words twisted, and being accused of not caring about women, or all the other smears on my character would be infuriating if it wasn't done so transparently badly.

So erring by providing misinformation is now a matter of having a sense of humour?

Doodledog

Do you? Can't say I've noticed. It seems to me that you double down when you have made a bit of a fool of yourself. But whatever.

The 'well said' posts come from both 'sides' incidentally; but as a matter if interest - how do VS and GJ simultaneously ignore us and 'actually say something'?

Oh I always admit when I've made a fool of myself. It's called having a sense of humour

Of course if you don't understand the difference between statements and applause that explains why you'd accuse someone of cheerleading when they obviously aren't.

Do you? Can't say I've noticed. It seems to me that you double down when you have made a bit of a fool of yourself. But whatever.

The 'well said' posts come from both 'sides' incidentally; but as a matter if interest - how do VS and GJ simultaneously ignore us and 'actually say something'?

It’s really difficult and embarrassing when you post something to support your POV and then discover it’s wrong and doesn’t support your POV.
Before we all get told to be kind, you have my sympathy trisher.
In case you missed the link, it’s here.
www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-screening/

Well Doodledog at least I am big enough to admit when I am totally wrong.
I take it by cheerleaders you are referring to VioletSky and Gagajo the only other women brave enogh to face the abuse hurled at anyone who supports transpeople on these threads. They seldom actually do Cheerleading - you know the Good post Doodledog. Well said Rosie51 accompanied by some emoji like clapping hands. They usually actually say something.
But anyway they both work. And generally ignore you lot. Which as I am constantly being told I should as well.

Ah, yes! I have a slow internet connection so didn’t see that until after I’d posted. It makes you wonder what other things people post after a quick Google. ?

Today's not going well for you, is it trisher? ?

It's unfortunate that the cheerleaders have gone to ground and left you to it, but that could have been predicted, I think.

SueDonim

trisher

But it isn't a "smear" test. That was what they used to do. Now they have a look. So how would inviting someone for a smear test be OK? You couldn't do it, it would be medically inaccurate. You could say "come and have your cervix inspected" "or come for a colposcopy" but not "you are invited for a smear"

Omg! This is such wrong information! You really need to educate yourself, Trisher instead of disseminating such rubbish.

Here’s a link to help you. www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-screening/

If you look at trisher's reply to me at 12.07 you'll see she only did a quick google ? Yet felt confident to assert that smear tests are no longer done.

trisher

But it isn't a "smear" test. That was what they used to do. Now they have a look. So how would inviting someone for a smear test be OK? You couldn't do it, it would be medically inaccurate. You could say "come and have your cervix inspected" "or come for a colposcopy" but not "you are invited for a smear"

Omg! This is such wrong information! You really need to educate yourself, Trisher instead of disseminating such rubbish.

Here’s a link to help you. www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-screening/

trisher

Oh I fully apologise but it just shows how anyone with a quick Google can get it wrong and the colposcopy is what comes up if you google tests for cervical cancer. Which means that actually the more information the better. So by all means put "You are invited for a smear test" but add something about a cervix or birth gender or even birth sex. It's just inclusive and informative and it helps. Little drawings might be a good idea as well.

What it shows trisher is that in your desperation to justify your objection to 'you are invited for a smear test' you grabbed at what you thought was a big gotcha. Women's health is secondary to your promotion of what you call 'inclusive language'. If you're going to lecture and educate you should be doing more than a quick google and then presenting it as argument for your bias.

Oh I fully apologise but it just shows how anyone with a quick Google can get it wrong and the colposcopy is what comes up if you google tests for cervical cancer. Which means that actually the more information the better. So by all means put "You are invited for a smear test" but add something about a cervix or birth gender or even birth sex. It's just inclusive and informative and it helps. Little drawings might be a good idea as well.

Thanks Rosie51,
you’ll have educated at least two of us with that and I at least am grateful for the clarification.

trisher

But it isn't a "smear" test. That was what they used to do. Now they have a look. So how would inviting someone for a smear test be OK? You couldn't do it, it would be medically inaccurate. You could say "come and have your cervix inspected" "or come for a colposcopy" but not "you are invited for a smear"

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear! Check out NHS website. A colposcopy is a procedure done after a smear test has detected abnormal cells. Or if you know better perhaps you should advise NHS they are inviting women to something they no longer provide. Your accuracy of evidence has been questioned by others on other threads, this just confirms it.

From the NHS website.
A colposcopy is a simple procedure used to look at the cervix, the lower part of the womb at the top of the vagina. It's often done if cervical screening finds abnormal cells in your cervix.

These cells often go away on their own, but sometimes there's a risk they could eventually turn into cervical cancer if not treated.

A colposcopy can confirm whether cells in your cervix are abnormal and determine whether you need treatment to remove them.

When a colposcopy may be needed

You may be referred for a colposcopy within a few weeks of cervical screening if:

some of the cells in your screening sample are abnormal
the nurse or doctor who carried out the screening test thought your cervix did not look as healthy as it should
it was not possible to give you a clear result after several screening tests

That’s nice trisher???

But it isn't a "smear" test. That was what they used to do. Now they have a look. So how would inviting someone for a smear test be OK? You couldn't do it, it would be medically inaccurate. You could say "come and have your cervix inspected" "or come for a colposcopy" but not "you are invited for a smear"

That’s nice trisher.
Is that truly the best you have? ??? Using a precise medical term for what the vast majority of people understand as a smear test?

trisher

Doodledog It is no longer a smear test. It's called a colposcopy and involves looking at the cervix. Both of which might be difficult to undersand on an invite.

Is that truly the best you have? ??? Using a precise medical term for what the vast majority of people understand as a smear test?
Cervix? A word of which people might not readily know the precise location and identity? And yet women can be referred to as 'cervix havers'? You really do want it every which way!

Doodledog It is no longer a smear test. It's called a colposcopy and involves looking at the cervix. Both of which might be difficult to undersand on an invite.

I don't mind discussions when people actually acknowledge their statements. Once they start trying to shift the blame and not recognise their own statements it's all a bit useless really .I posted that list in response to an earlier link.

If that is a dig at me, I cba to go back (again) to find the source of the discussion, but I do know that I do not think that there is any need to add the reason for the smear invitation as being because of an assignment at birth. There is no need to say anything at all - the invitation will do. If anything I posted has been taken otherwise, it is a misunderstanding. I am not blame-shifting, or anything similar - that's not my style.

That’s not an answer.
Are you really saying that transmen with learning difficulties don’t know they are female?

Mollygo

Still unanswered trisher, so I’m posting again. I’m not really a Charles Dickens fan so I don’t have Great Expectations.
Mollygo
Learning difficulties - trisher are you really saying transmen with learning difficulties don’t know they are female?
How would they have known they wanted to assume a different gender?
Do transmen with severe learning difficulties not have support who would explain that to them?
You are not being ‘kind

I don't mind discussions when people actually acknowledge their statements. Once they start trying to shift the blame and not recognise their own statements it's all a bit useless really .I posted that list in response to an earlier link.
But if some women are baffled then so will some transmen

Still unanswered trisher, so I’m posting again. I’m not really a Charles Dickens fan so I don’t have Great Expectations.
Mollygo
Learning difficulties - trisher are you really saying transmen with learning difficulties don’t know they are female?
How would they have known they wanted to assume a different gender?
Do transmen with severe learning difficulties not have support who would explain that to them?
You are not being ‘kind

Doodledog I didn't bring those things into the debate ,you did.

And an hour earlier, you said that you had looked up those who were not being reached by the screening programme and came up with:

those aged 25–29 and those above 50
those living in areas of high deprivation
those with a learning or physical disability
ethnic minority communities – note disparity varies by ethnic minority group
lesbian and people who are bisexual (1)
the transgender community

I responded to that list, which, as I say, you brought up. I am of the opinion that there is no need to embellish the invitation at all.

What ever happened to common sense .