So called jokes about rape!

I think you’ll find any defence on here is singularly small
GrannyGravy. Thank goodness.

Have you read the article by Victoria Smith on FB Terri? Its
interesting. Emperors New Clothes and all that. A lot if it I agreed with.

I am amazed that there appear to be a defence of FB, who has a history of misogynistic jokes, to which we can now add rape/murder to a household name (Holly Willoughby).

I have an all round sense of humour, like a dirty joke not offended by swearing, not particularly PC, but I will repeat my previous posts rape and murder of a named person has no place in comedy however it is dressed up …

should shouldn't

Yes Dickens he was thoroughly vile about Rebecca who actually achieved something she and her country can be proud of.

^your favoured asides which stick in my mindyou Terribull

tediously having to deal with a bunch of querulous 10 year olds who perpetually interrupt the lesson with nonsense.

Aye, that's what its like.

No dogged investigation from me Vover, your favoured asides which stick in my mind for all sorts of reasons, have been used very recently in fact on this thread.

Such as "grow up" that was to me and someone else, a tad strange patronising a comment to make adult to adult, if I'm allowed to say that, probably not, Such a riposte conjures up a scenario of you, the fantasy teacher, tediously having to deal with a bunch of querulous 10 year olds who perpetually interrupt the lesson with nonsense.

However, I do like your "why is everyone picking on me?" so retro, so 13 year old at their bratish worst, hope you kick the trash bin after you've slumped off to your room, slamming the door behind you, because you need a few actions to go with that to get right into character.

Anyway you never did proffer an opinion as to whether FB's comments regarding Rebecca Addlington Double Gold Medal winner are okay.

In case you weren't aware or had forgotten they are as follows:

She looks looks pretty weird she looks like someone who is looking at themselves in the back of the spoon.

She may have an unfair advantage because she has a dolphin's face.

She has a really attractive boyfriend, he was like a male model, so from that I have deduced that RA is very dirty.

But hey, apparently, we should say anything negative about his looks because that's just misandry

TerriBull

He knows some of what he says, is highly personal and offensive he came back twice to take another shot at RA so clearly he doesn't give a shiny shit about other people's feelings.

I didn't know that he'd taken even more swipes at RA.

After the original 'joke' and the one he made about Katie Price's son, you have to wonder at his mental 'make-up'. I know he's a comedian and needs to get laughs to earn a living - apart from whatever else he does - but what motivates him to get his laughs from belittling other people? Is he a misanthrope maybe?

I've heard other comedians say edgy things, but also with the ability to mock themselves a little - I don't know if FB does this... I stopped listening to him. Actually, I find him depressing.

Looks like your turn in the barrel, Terribull

Never mind, most of us who've been on here for years know you, have read your sensible posts and understand that you asked a valid question.

No, most women and indeed men too would agree that YANBU.

lixy

volver Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

nevertheless, Radio 4 6 o'clock news last night

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0019rjw

about 23 minutes in.

Just out of interest, what would be the criteria for the 'all and sundry' exclusion group?

The link you gave, at 23 minutes in, doesn't say that the cancellation of the show has anything to do with FB's appearances. Serious question - how do people manage to hear things that nobody has said? How does that work, really?

As for all and sundry, you'll have to ask Terribull if you want clarification.

volver Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

nevertheless, Radio 4 6 o'clock news last night

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0019rjw

about 23 minutes in.

Just out of interest, what would be the criteria for the 'all and sundry' exclusion group?

I don't think I've ever said "I'm sure they'll care". But I'm sure you'll be able to find an example of me doing that, with some dogged investigation.

(Question - can someone explain to me how I can avoid all and sundry reading my posts when I'm on an open discussions forum? It seems to annoy some people. Thx)

The FB not looking good comment is apropos of his very undermining remarks he made about Rebecca Addlington's looks, as I mentioned before, she is not even someone who has ever traded on her appearance. Who is he to undermine her in such a public and humiliating way???? She was very hurt by that. As you regularly point out to all and sundry when a poster makes a negative comment about whoever "I'm sure they'll care" A bit of quid pro quo directed his way seems appropriate under the circumstances. He knows some of what he says, is highly personal and offensive he came back twice to take another shot at RA so clearly he doesn't give a shiny shit about other people's feelings. When he takes actual people and their physical disabilities and appearances into the public domain to be ridiculed well maybe the toxicity in the Boyle needs lancing

volver

Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

Despite all the argy bargy over whether he is funny or not, it can't be only me that sees people (intentionally?) misunderstanding news stories and blaming things on other people when they are not involved at all? If we can do that to comedians, why does no-one see that it is also happening to politicians, just because people will believe what they are told if it fits with thier preconceptions?

Paraphrasing politicians' comments is rife on certain social media sites.

I once had to remove a comment I'd made relating to something Boris Johnson had said (in his 'previous' life) when I realised what I'd copied had itself been paraphrased - in order to give a false impression of his opinion.

What he actually said, and what was paraphrased, gave two entirely different perspectives. As much as I dislike Johnson, I had to remove the comment in the interests of honesty and accuracy.

Both the Right and the Left do sometimes do this in order to support their arguments, and it's dangerous to democracy. And, again, that sometimes means defending people you don' like.

I would have thought Mock the Week has just run its course, I think the same about HIGN. Stephen Fry is quite interesting on free speech and on collaboration with people on 'opposing' sides.

their preconceptions

Frankie Boyle hasn't been on MtW for 13 years. I'm not convinced its being cancelled because of him.

Despite all the argy bargy over whether he is funny or not, it can't be only me that sees people (intentionally?) misunderstanding news stories and blaming things on other people when they are not involved at all? If we can do that to comedians, why does no-one see that it is also happening to politicians, just because people will believe what they are told if it fits with thier preconceptions?

I rather like Stephen Fry's take on being offended.

It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so effing what."

Obviously he didn't say effing but I didn't want to cause offence ;-)

Yup Dickens and Galaxy
But - and there always has to be one doesn't there? - if you hear something you find offensive then you need to say so, ideally to the person.

Yesterday I heard on the radio - Radio 4 6 o'clock news I think - that Mock the Week is to be axed. One of the reasons given was contributions from Mr Boyle that had been found offensive.

'Fraid I stopped watching it a while ago as it's well past my bedtime!

Oh, absolutely.

My late FiL loved Chubby Brown. ??

And saying that you think another comedian's jokes are "lazy" doesn't amount to "policing" them.

But free speech also allows me to say dont be surprised when people police jokes if you do the same to others. And what applies to FB also applies to Jim Davidson etc etc.

Hear hear, Dickens and Galaxy.

Galaxy

I tell you what this free speech thing is a pain in the butt. I cant believe I am defending FB s rights . Am sure he will be very grateful. However the same rights needs to be applied to all and that includes jokes FB doesnt like.

I cant believe I am defending FB s rights

Yup! Me too.

But, it makes sense. Defending free-speech means you have to accept hearing opinions (or 'jokes' in this case) that you don't agree with and supporting those individuals you don't like!

Well yes, but heard and objected to by a large number of people at the Latitude Festival who questioned him in person at his later book signing.

One person questioned him, in Waterstones, at a different event. Several days later.

Honestly, read for comprehension, please.

Exactly Lathryus, either hate speech, bullying whatever. Unacceptable, not funny

The Daily Mail thing....

The Daily Mail took a section of his monologue and paraphrased it. Then the other "reputable newspapers" reported what the Daily Mail had said.

Whether one likes FB or not, the inability to understand that a "news story" has been confected is a concern for democracy.