More royal pomp and circumstance.

"The truth is that the monarchy is deceiving the public about its income, funding and wealth. The crown estate does not belong to the royal family, and it doesn’t provide the funding for the monarchy."

The Guardian says no reason to give Charles millions more. This set up started by David Cameron George Osborne

Can not believe this huge pay rise. I don't think there's a need to explain why.

Grany

DiamondLily

Well, they won't be having a cost of living crisis, that's for sure...🙄

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/20/king-charles-to-receive-huge-pay-rise-from-uk-taxpayers

Yes thats not counting the costs to local councils during visits, royal spending, the two duchies and huge cost of security

Yeah, some snouts are well in the taxpayer trough...🙄

Good points micmc and Mollygo.

There is universal shame out there if we choose to seek it out, and we're all part of it, so rather than pointlessly exchange penance pennies for past deeds, wouldn't it be better if we just concentrated on making sure that it doesn't happen again, on treating each other with respect in the present world, and where those evils still persist today, on concentrating on attempting to stop them?

Good point. Apart from apologising that your ancestors were part of anything bad, where would reparation start or stop.
My ancestors had no part in slavery in the past, if my searches into ancestry are true, but even if they had, monetary reparation was up to them, not up to me. We can’t pay money to those who were affected at the time, because they’re dead.
If you were talking about something more recent, e.g. the Windrush affair, then people who suffered because of that may still be alive, and deserve reparation, but what sort and from whom? The government in power at the time? The people who voted for the government in power at the time? Any government who has had anything to do with the matter together with their political supporters?

DiamondLily

Well, they won't be having a cost of living crisis, that's for sure...🙄

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/20/king-charles-to-receive-huge-pay-rise-from-uk-taxpayers

Yes thats not counting the costs to local councils during visits, royal spending, the two duchies and huge cost of security

Well, they won't be having a cost of living crisis, that's for sure...🙄

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jul/20/king-charles-to-receive-huge-pay-rise-from-uk-taxpayers

I can't help thinking that all this stuff about "reparations" is rather pointless. The history of the human race is full of instances of internecine war, persecution, slavery, invasion, genocide, you name it. So where does the reparation bandwagon stop? It certainly isn't limited to the "bad old" British Empire, as some would have us believe, or to the white races as perpetrators and everyone else as victims.

There is universal shame out there if we choose to seek it out, and we're all part of it, so rather than pointlessly exchange penance pennies for past deeds, wouldn't it be better if we just concentrated on making sure that it doesn't happen again, on treating each other with respect in the present world, and where those evils still persist today, on concentrating on attempting to stop them?

Charles gets 45% pay rise funding. From £86million to £125million Disgusting No money for public service workers doctors nurses teachers ect

That is advertising Grany, aren't you supposed to ask permission from GNHQ and use a separate thread if you want to promote your books?

Im sure GNHQ can help as they offer a full range of promotional opportunities.

luluaugust

Quite Maybe if everyone had to apologise for what their ancestors had done the whole world would be apologising

That would be a sorry state of affairs.

Quite Maybe if everyone had to apologise for what their ancestors had done the whole world would be apologising

Grany

Charles should apologise for his ancestors role in slavery and pay reparations.

So should the Italians and Norwegians apologise to us for what their ancestors did ( I’m looking towards Lindisfarne as I write this). Different times different attitudes. And we were the country that helped to bring an end to slavery.

Charles should apologise for his ancestors role in slavery and pay reparations.

Kamiso, the biggest mistake was in not adding signage to the statues in question, explaining e.g. about slavery and what it meant and how the people would not be revered now because we know better. Tearing down a statue was instant gratification for the wreckers, but it doesn’t inform future generations how it was wrong. It simply wiped slavery out of the history of the place.

Anniebach

Are we responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

I'm only concerned with a family who we pay a generous wage to, and the answer where they are concerned is yes. Even those in favour of having a monarchy can see its wrong to defend the accumulation of wealth and our attitude to them. They are not special people.

Anniebach

Are we responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

It seems that we are now, according to some very loud organisations. Dismantling monuments and statues was the first stage.

Very odd as mostly we don’t know any ancestors much further back than our grandparents with possible tales of their parents.

Callistemon21

And - you'd be doing this every four years for a President
(Don't believe it would be different- it wouldn't)

At least this is the first such occasion for 70 years therefore much more economical than having a President.

Plus paying outgoing presidents a huge pension and lifetime security with a new one elected every five years with a big inauguration ceremony no doubt.

Imagine the disappointment to loyal Scot’s if Charles ignored them and didn’t make any acknowledgment. They had their chance to vote and decided to stay, so time they stopped decrying democracy so persistently.

I am sure Putin would welcome them if they can’t cope with the democratic process.

Are we responsible for the actions of our ancestors?

Aveline

It's just life. Nobody ever said that it was fair!

Life isn't fair Avelinetrue, and we can't solve the problem totally but....

So what wealth have British monarchs in history earned legitimately. 🤔

It's just life. Nobody ever said that it was fair!

So true Callistemon. Unfortunately love of it can become addictive and all encompassing, surpassing any other considerations.

It's how people use or abuse it that is important.
I agree, but people’s views on using it or abusing it differ, in the same way as people’s views on having more than one home, or more than one car, or more than one holiday or more than two children differ. Some see it as a right, some see it as greedy some see it as unfair.

Mollygo

History of how anyone acquires wealth. Some work for it. Others acquire it by gaining power over others. Some inherit it. Some make money by dubious financial practices.

It's how people use or abuse it that is important.