Teach8ng Everyone one needs love, special kids.

Some years ago my friend’s daughter was at the local primary school. They announced that they were starting violin lessons and she said she would like to learn.

The Head didn’t even allow her the chance because she had learning difficulties and just bluntly said “she will never do it.”

I thought of her when that wonderful little girl who played the piano was on TV. She was blind and autistic but was brilliant at playing the piano.

My point was that that the delivery of the OP used an unfortunate example, not that the sentiment of the post was at fault. Who is to say that the ballet school didn't tell the parent that it felt the teachers couldn't offer sufficient attention to meet the child's individual needs. We don't know. Quoting one isolated story isn't helpful, although if other GNs tell us about problems faced by family members then of course we believe them and are sympathetic.

I’m glad that it’s not just me Jacky
It doesn’t help that the op has no wish to contribute anything either.

My daughter works in a school, her role is with SEND children only, I have worked with children in care, both physically and mentally damaged by their experiences.
I have no problem with discussion of others knowledgeof both children or adults with needs different from others. But I do dislike these quoted ‘messages’ that intimate you’re a bad person if you don’t pass them on.

Musicgirl

Chain letters, Fanny.

😊 thank you!

Galaxy

They seem to be using lots of supply staff, ( they need one to one support in addition to a teacher and TA) who are often handed the responsibility of quite complex children and who disappear often quite understandably after a couple of weeks.
The number of children we are talking per class is considerable, a number of schools are creating seperate provision within the school. I am not sure how that's going to pan out either.

Yes, that’s what I ended up doing in the mainstream secondary.
I literally nearly had a nervous breakdown.
It was my NQT year as well 🤦‍♀️

toscalily

Fanny does it matter, it has got us talking about the subject which can only be a good thing.

Yes, that’s fine

Chain letters, Fanny.

Fanny does it matter, it has got us talking about the subject which can only be a good thing.

Oh you are probably right FC but it's an interesting subject.

My job for the last 10 years has been inclusion (my background prior to that is specialist provision) I am absolutely committed to inclusion but the numbers arent something I have seen before.

It is spam though.
It’s a bit like one of those letters that you had to pass on, or something dreadful would happen…

What on earth were they called?
It’s driving me mad trying to think of the name!

this was on facebook during the week and i shared it as i have a 4 yo gs with non verbal autism, he is bright as a button and always smiling but because he can't talk other children in the nursery don't want to play with the (stupid boy). my family has been going through the special needs children for 25 years, my niece has cerebral palsy, autism non verbal and in a wheelchair, my two step-daughters both have autistic children, and now my other niece has recently had her youngest child diagnosed with autism. my son is 37 and i sat him down a week after he started school to explain about his new friends one was the colour of chocolate (sounds racist now) and one was in a wheelchair. at the age of 7 he helped me take the trolley with the sweets, papers etc round the hospital, he always helped people who could not get out of bed, he came to a volunteer group that was all children with downs syndrome, my point to this is please teach children that other children are different but they are still children and adults who are just different but still have feeling and hurt just like anyone else.
thank you for reading

They seem to be using lots of supply staff, ( they need one to one support in addition to a teacher and TA) who are often handed the responsibility of quite complex children and who disappear often quite understandably after a couple of weeks.
The number of children we are talking per class is considerable, a number of schools are creating seperate provision within the school. I am not sure how that's going to pan out either.

Galaxy, that is correct. It is not a blame game, we know how difficult it is for all the reasons you mention and many more but that does not mean we cannot hope and strive for better.

Even if it is from a the US and this is a UK website it is read by many outside of the UK so is still relevant.

I think the young kids don’t need to ‘learn’ to include children with special needs because they just do, automatically. They are wonderfully accepting until they reach the dreaded teens when being part of a group is seen to be so important and that is when the exclusion seems to start ( if it starts at all ) . Little kids don’t differentiate, they play with anyone that wants them to and we could learn from that,too. Cliques seem to develop a bit later on and by the time we reach adulthood we are ‘experts’ at them.

Are they getting rid of lots of TAs Galaxy?

I am afraid that inclusion is not perfect. I am trying to be as vague as possible but my job is working in inclusion in schools. A number of schools make it quite difficult for those with additional needs to attend - lots of reduced timetable stuff going on. I am not really throwing blame at schools, the numbers are considerable and staffing often challenging.

I’ve often been one to one with children with SEND in and out of school.

We once had a Roma girl in Y5 who had the mental age of below 3 (this is the absolute truth).

I was one to one with her, along side being the class TA and teaching the class English.
That was a challenge.

And the children were so accepting.
It was an area of great social deprivation.
In my experience children in schools like that are generally more inclusive than many of those in the ‘leafy suburbs’

It may be American, maybe spam so the message should be ignored? I hope we are moving in the UK towards more understanding but we still have a long way to go. It was the blanket dismissal that "it does not happen here" that I object to.

If a child with special needs is to go on a school trip, join a club or activity they may have to have additional staff/carers or will say no due to real or (supposed) health and safety regulations. With funding as it is now that frequently is not possible therefore they cannot participate.

toscalily

FannyCornforth & Joseann I disagree, it does not hurt to give a gentle reminder to highlight this. What you are describing in regards to schooling, advertising and general life being inclusive is the ideal scenario, perhaps your experience but this is not always the case. For many it is a constant struggle both for the child/teenager/adult and those that care for them.

Correct. I mentioned “cute kids” in my earlier post and there is something very endearing about babies with Down’s syndrome so they will get modelling jobs. However, if you have a child who is not so cute and may be dribbling or drooling with physical deformities then other people do shy away. Not pleasant but true.

Last summer I saw a man and woman and a teenage lad with another teenage lad in a wheelchair. All was well then he suddenly started screaming and rocking his wheelchair so fiercely that a few times he nearly fell out. His Dad tried to calm him down but he was biting his Dad’s arms and was having none of it. I asked if I could help and his Dad said it was because it had just started spitting with rain and he had a severe phobia about rain. We righted the wheelchair and he thanked me and by the time his wife and son came out of a shop he was still screaming but the chair was stable.

Joseann

^In light of recent events regarding the exclusion of a child with autism from attending a school trip and a child with Down Syndrome being expelled from dance class^
I don't believe this. In a world where Downs Syndrome kids are used as models for H&M, River Island, JoJo Maman, JD Sports etc etc. invclusivity is well highlighted. No one needs to be "taught" this.

And actors in film and TV.

And the whole thread is reliant on two anecdotes which Joseann Jacky and I query.

toscalily
I know what you mean, sorry.
I’m critical of nature of the original post, not the sentiment.

It’s all about the holistic upbringing of children at home and school.
That’s what the culture of inclusivity is.

It certainly isn’t about ‘taking them to one side’ and telling them to play with the ‘special children’ (sic)

FannyCornforth & Joseann I disagree, it does not hurt to give a gentle reminder to highlight this. What you are describing in regards to schooling, advertising and general life being inclusive is the ideal scenario, perhaps your experience but this is not always the case. For many it is a constant struggle both for the child/teenager/adult and those that care for them.