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FrancesCrook Wed 09-Aug-23 09:34:25

Disappointing that politicians are failing to impose clean air zones in cities in England. I see France is taking strong action. Today the Labour Party is indicating that it will go back on its promise to introduce clean air zones in cities. I don’t want my two (about to be three) grandchildren to have to breath polluted toxic air. Should I start a petition of grandmothers?

tanith Wed 09-Aug-23 09:45:04

The trouble I can’t get my head around is that as long as you are willing to pay the daily charge you can carry on using your polluting vehicles.
It’s a good idea in principle but it has its flaws I suppose anything is better than doing nothing.

Hetty58 Wed 09-Aug-23 10:20:30

Ulez is expanding to cover all the London boroughs - about time, but clearly not enough. It's a start, I suppose. Free public transport would help.

The charges mean that people can carry on with their daily lives - and work. There's a choice (for now) to either pay up, avoid the zone or update your vehicle. There's a lot of angry folks here (NE London) saying that they need their van for work. That seems to include everything else, though, weekends, shopping, dropping kids at school - really?

It's not just the polluted air, it's the types of pollutants - particulate matter, ozone, sulphur dioxide (all lung irritants) and damage/stunting to developing lungs caused by Nitrogen Dioxide exposure - associated with premature death, cardiopulmonary effects, decreased lung function growth in children, respiratory symptoms, asthma, and intensified allergic responses.

Damaged lungs and asthma make pollution triggers even more dangerous (and more difficult to live with).

Jaxjacky Wed 09-Aug-23 10:21:30

Quite tanith, meanwhile the largest contributor to particulates in the air are wood burners, which are endemic in France FrancesCrook.
There is legislation for new installations in the UK, but many such burners exist already.

rafichagran Wed 09-Aug-23 11:04:48

Hettyalot of people cannot afford the daily charge, some cannot afford to change their vans and it affects their work, on the news I saw a carer crying as she could not afford to change her car, she said she would not be able to carry on with her job, and was worried about her vunerable clients.
I live in a ULEZ area, and my car is compliant, but if it was not, it would be difficult to collect my Grandson from School, she live s in a ULEZ area too, although only just, there is no direct bus or train route to where they live. She is a Lone parent, and would then have to pay for childcare, which would have a heavy impact on her finances. She is lucky her Father lives in walking distance but he cannot cover all days.
People who agree with ULEZ don't think of others it may affect, they either don't drive, don't work in low paid jobs reliant on cars/vans, are in s position where they can afford to change their cars if not compliant.
We are affecting the poorer people in the ULEZ zone, it's no good saying about free transport ect, as it has not been put in place and these people are living in the here and now.

maddyone Wed 09-Aug-23 11:44:41

Hands up, who’s got a wood burner? Bet lots of you have.
Nope, I haven’t.

HeavenLeigh Wed 09-Aug-23 11:48:56

I haven’t got a wood burner either never been a fan of them

Gillycats Wed 09-Aug-23 11:59:19

Whilst I agree that something needs to be done I’d like to know where people are supposed to be getting the extra money from. The new ULEZ in the outer London boroughs will cost people £12.50 per day ie £62.50 pw/£250pm! How on Earth are lower paid workers (and this will include care workers and hospital staff) going to find that kind of money?! As usual the worse off in society are being hit in the pocket without so much as a thought. How many people who agree with this own cars, travel abroad by plane etc. It needs a gentle phase in to allow people to find other jobs or save up for compliant cars.

NotSpaghetti Fri 18-Aug-23 10:58:23

Jaxjacky

Quite tanith, meanwhile the largest contributor to particulates in the air are wood burners, which are endemic in France FrancesCrook.
There is legislation for new installations in the UK, but many such burners exist already.

But recent research shows that the "new" versions are still very polluting and the new legislation is very weak.