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Should I have said something?

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icanhandthemback Thu 24-Aug-23 00:50:21

Through no fault of our own, my sister and I were estranged from the complete paternal side of our family when we were really young.
Out of the blue, one of my aunts from that side of the family got in touch with me when I was in my thirties and I met her. I really don't know if I told my sister before I met her but it was never a secret and she certainly knew shortly after. At that meeting I found out that my sister had in fact made contact with our father and had been seeing him before the relationship fizzled out again. Whilst I was surprised she hadn't told me, I didn't think a great deal about it although I did ask her why she had kept it a secret. However, there was no angst on my part.
My aunt wanted me to meet up with our Grandmother who, at that time was in her 90's but I declined because my memories of her were not particularly good, not least because she used to beat my sister. However, after the loss of my maternal grandfather who had lived with me during his last years, my Aunt once again asked me if I could meet my Grandmother who was over a hundred. My mother had been particularly bloody over my grandad so I was feeling quite angry with the world and thought my memories might have been coloured by my mother who was always scathing about my father's side of the family if she said anything about them at all.
After I had been to see my Grandmother, I did tell my sister and, unfortunately my grandmother died a couple of weeks later. My sister and I went to her funeral as support for my Aunt. This was about 15 years ago if not more.
Recently my sister had let rip with a list of complaints about me as a person accusing me of all sorts of things and one of those things was that I had been duplicitous and tried to exclude her from the family because I had visited my grandmother without telling her. She maintains she only found out about it at the funeral although that just wasn't true because I was the one who told her about the funeral and suggested we went together. However, nothing I say about seeing my Grandmother without her will pacify her. Certainly if I had known she was going to die within a couple of weeks of my visit, I would have suggested going together but she seemed as strong as an ox especially considering her age.
Am I being unreasonable to think my sister is being unreasonable? I certainly had no reason to be hurtful to her and had I realised she would be hurt, I would have told her before my visit. However, I hadn't seen my Grandmother for over 40 years, had just lost my Grandad and was feeling very vulnerable about the visit which I wasn't sure was going to be a happy one. In the event, I did enjoy meeting her but it seems to have caused great hurt which is being thrown at me years later and not for the first time despite my apologies.

nanna8 Thu 24-Aug-23 00:57:49

Ohh- families ! Your sister must have been having a bad day and you copped the blame because she needed someone to let rip at. Don’t hit back, just let it go ,be polite and nice and live your life.

VioletSky Thu 24-Aug-23 01:05:54

I think perhaps your sister needs some help, it sounds like there were a lot of things that happened that have had an impact on her

It isn't right for her to take it out on you at all but she may not realise where her real pain is coming from and you are the one closest by

Unfortunately there is little we can do to force our loved ones to get the help they need, they have to choose it for themselves.

I would repeat that you never wanted to hurt her, that you weren't sure it was the right thing to go yourself after so many unhappy memories and you are sorry. It sounds like you wanted to protect her. You could also recommend counselling, either together or apart

If at any point she is angry or unkind you could make an excuse to leave that conversation. None of us are here as an outlet for others pain.

biglouis Thu 24-Aug-23 01:26:28

You can choose your friends but unfortunately you cant choose your family. Too often we are stuck with family members that we would never choose in a month of sundays.

Oopsadaisy1 Thu 24-Aug-23 08:26:01

It sounds as though your sister was just lashing out at you.
But sometimes others remember things differently to us and no matter how many times we tell them what really happened they will not re consider their take on the events. It’s difficult but just keep telling her that she is wrong.

Harris27 Thu 24-Aug-23 08:39:17

Always remeber the past can affect you at a later date. My sister has recently been quite vocal about a few things and I’ve took it. But in reality I think she has become bitter. Best leave her alone for a while and let her come round.

Franbern Thu 24-Aug-23 08:43:11

AAH! different memories!!! It is amazing how many of these in families.

My two youngest (twins), evidently alway blamed ME for keeping them apart from their fathers family after our marriage broke down.
One of them was out with one of her older sisters and myself a few months back, and the talk got round to hr Dad;s family and she was so astonished to discover how I had become 'persona non grata' with them all, when their Dad had walked out on us.
This had extended to them to the extent that when their grandmother celebrated her 80th birthday, he was invited and got there to dicover that his brother and sister's children were also there whilst none of his were invited. He has not talked to his brother (who made all those arrangements), since then (30 yrs ago).

At that time, I was so intent in trying to just keep the proverbial wolf from the door, I was quite happy at not being invited to such events, never occured to me how much our children were also being denied.

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eazybee Thu 24-Aug-23 09:44:11

Seems as though estrangement carries on causing problems down the generations, or perhaps it is a family trait of intolerance.

choughdancer Thu 24-Aug-23 09:55:13

I wonder if it would be possible to find a quiet moment with her to say something like 'I think I remember our grandmother beating you; was that in my imagination or did it happen?' or ' I was so upset when our grandmother beat you, but it must have been far worse for you; how do you feel about it now?'.

If I were in your place (and I'm very aware that we are all different!), I would try to 'allow' her to open up about her emotions and past pain. I would use 'Reflective Listening' (lots about it online). This way she might be able to pour out all her blocked up feelings and it might bring you closer and allow her to see that you are not the person that has caused the pain.

You are certainly NOT being unreasonable; you don't deserve this blame and abuse. You sound like a very reasonable, caring person being blamed unfairly. You can only decide, though, how YOU will handle it, not her, and so this method could be worth trying.
Good luck xxx

icanhandthemback Thu 24-Aug-23 13:11:16

Thank you for your comments. There were many accusations thrown and I have spent the last few days searching my soul to see if I recognise myself from her description; I haven't said anything to the rest of my family about this last incident but over the years, my sister has fallen out with every member of the family, hasn't visited wider family for years and now feels completely abandoned. I think she has been badly damaged by her childhood experiences which has caused her also to make poor choices in her relationships. She has had years of therapy which always seems to make her worse and her memories often bear no resemblance to mine. When she disagrees with somebody she often throws everything out there and becomes very spiteful. I tend to disappear into myself in conflict which I think is probably left over from my childhood where keeping your head below the parapet was safer.
My sister was 6 months old when we lived with my Grandmother and 12 months later we were returned. She doesn't remember my Grandmother beating her with a wooden spoon. I did because it was the only time I have physically lashed out at someone because I was so incensed. I was about 4 years old and it stayed with me.
VioletSky, the last time my sister did family counselling, she became totally estranged from her children and still is. I don't want to risk that. I really don't want to be estranged from her but I don't want to be a punch bag either. I am just going to try to avoid in depth discussions with her until things settle down.

Smileless2012 Thu 24-Aug-23 15:43:12

'Let it go' icanhandthemback. This is in the past and it's best to leave it there. You are not being unreasonable, your sister is but I doubt you'll be able to get her to see it that way.

DiamondLily Fri 25-Aug-23 18:22:52

icanhandthemback

Thank you for your comments. There were many accusations thrown and I have spent the last few days searching my soul to see if I recognise myself from her description; I haven't said anything to the rest of my family about this last incident but over the years, my sister has fallen out with every member of the family, hasn't visited wider family for years and now feels completely abandoned. I think she has been badly damaged by her childhood experiences which has caused her also to make poor choices in her relationships. She has had years of therapy which always seems to make her worse and her memories often bear no resemblance to mine. When she disagrees with somebody she often throws everything out there and becomes very spiteful. I tend to disappear into myself in conflict which I think is probably left over from my childhood where keeping your head below the parapet was safer.
My sister was 6 months old when we lived with my Grandmother and 12 months later we were returned. She doesn't remember my Grandmother beating her with a wooden spoon. I did because it was the only time I have physically lashed out at someone because I was so incensed. I was about 4 years old and it stayed with me.
VioletSky, the last time my sister did family counselling, she became totally estranged from her children and still is. I don't want to risk that. I really don't want to be estranged from her but I don't want to be a punch bag either. I am just going to try to avoid in depth discussions with her until things settle down.

No, counselling doesn't always work, it can often make it worse.

I would try to explain, in a quiet moment, at the right time, but other than that, I'd just let it be.

Families can be unreasonable about things, but time often dilutes it.

IClaudius Fri 25-Aug-23 19:00:22

As Her Majesty once famously said "recollections may vary". I've often thought that it would be very interesting to hear both sides of the family conflict woes we see on here.

icanhandthemback Fri 25-Aug-23 21:01:45

IClaudius

As Her Majesty once famously said "recollections may vary". I've often thought that it would be very interesting to hear both sides of the family conflict woes we see on here.

Yes, although how do you know who is telling the truth? I was rather speechless throughout the tirade with some of the things I was accused of saying or not doing. I was so shocked because I was being accused of not giving certain information about my mother's affairs for which I have LPA's (a very thorny point) and I have gone through my messages and emails to prove to myself that I sent them and they were read. I am not going to ring up and defend myself (poking a wasps' nest is something I try to avoid) but at least I have been able to convince myself that I am not going completely mad!