I remembered when I was a late teenager and worked in a bank, being in Scotland, kissing went on quite a lot around New Year . When we went back to work we would be kissed by the three male senior members of staff. I cannot remember where the other men kissed me but I do remember the sloppy kiss on the lips we got from the assistant manager. He was a married man with children .
Many years later I worked for a different bank and was more mature and sure of myself. I used to say to my boss that I did not kiss him the rest of the year so why should I do so after the New Year. We had a horrible HR young man who also tried to kiss you . When he tried I turned my face away and he kissed my cheek. He was the same young man who was Santa at the joint Christmas party and you had to sit on his knee before you got your present. I got round this by not putting my name in the hat to have someone else draw it out and buy me a gift.
^I ve not even mentioned his ‘greasy little hand on his bits in his uncontained excitement^’
Whilst sitting next to a teenage girl!
I expect Jennifer Hermoso was absolutely ecstatic at just winning the World Cup (who wouldn't be?!) and the reality of what he did only hit her moments later.
Would it have made things better if he'd profusely apologised immediately and said he got it wrong?
It's his stubborn arrogance which has worsened the situation.
BlueBell I am not protecting men and blaming women , on this matter I can understand the euphoria of a win in a stadium
I do not believe it was a sexual assault, i don’t believe his thoughts were sexual.
Oh come on Annie we could see it with our own eyes
I m not saying any more you go on protecting these men and blame the women It’s what’s always happened and I ve not even mentioned his ‘greasy little hand on his bits in his
uncontained excitement’
When I worked at the Rape centre it was what we heard time after time ‘it was my fault’ ‘I looked at him wrong’ ‘I wore the wrong clothes’ ‘I was in the wrong place’ ‘I was too shocked to say no’
At least you expect other women to understand and not add to the blame
BlueBell how can you claim he held her in a vice like grip ?
only she and he know this , we know he placed his hands on her face
Perhaps and it wasn’t a sexual assault carried out whilst thousands look on.
Can it be there are very few rugby supporters on this thread ?
Anniebach
Sorry I can’t post links, I looked for Jennifer Hermoso and found much of her
Perhaps all believe what we want to believe?
Oh Nana8 haven’t you got it yet ?
How could she push him away, he had her in a vice like grip
Of course she bloody smiled she was as embarrassed as hell and we all smile when embarrassed Havent you ever fell down looked around to see if anyone’s seen you and plaster a smile on your face almost saying ‘haha I meant to do that’
It’s a normal reaction to smile an embarrassment away
Women of any age should not be making excuses for this apology of a ‘man’
He behaved poorly and as always blamed the woman
and EVERYONE on here supporting him is also blaming all women who are hugged, kissed, inappropriately and yes raped
Remember the ‘ she asked for it’ ‘well if she wears skirts that short’ ‘she didn’t say no’
Sorry I can’t post links, I looked for Jennifer Hermoso and found much of her
Anniebach
The woman released this statement shortly after the match
It was a completely spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,’ said Hermoso several hours after her rather different comments on the Instagram live.
I’ve searched the internet for this quote and cannot find it. Please provide a link.
More attacks on posters
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Anniebach
The woman released this statement shortly after the match
It was a completely spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,’ said Hermoso several hours after her rather different comments on the Instagram live.
There has been an element of coercion in this though but at the moment we don't know when that coercion took place. Whenever it was, it was enough to get the police involved. Maybe she could get the benefit of the doubt from women until we know for sure.
The woman released this statement shortly after the match
It was a completely spontaneous mutual gesture due to the immense joy of winning a World Cup,’ said Hermoso several hours after her rather different comments on the Instagram live.
Read the thread and the analysis on line nanna8. It really isn’t ‘puzzling’
The thing that puzzled me is that she smiled and seemed to regard it as a bit of fun. She didn’t push him away or make her displeasure known in any way at the time.
lyleLyle, you deal with these issues rather more forcefully than I would but I do agree that it is a better world with young women not putting up with the things we did because everyone knows he does it so just keep out of his way! At the same time, I would like young males to be taught how to approach things when they want to take things further than a friendship because I do think they are often unsure of what is acceptable. It is often difficult to read the signals for them and if you are overwhelmingly shy, asking a girl first if you can kiss them is tortuous!
I sometimes wonder if the biggest protesters on here about this have ever been in a situation where they felt they had to carry on as usual when being assaulted because it happens, it really does. I was raped by coercion as a 13 years old and it took me years to process that it was something I didn't bring upon myself. I can imagine that being kissed on the lips by this man in front of the whole world might have taken a few days to process especially if other women (and him) were telling you it was harmless.
*just take
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Says you. The world is thankfully changing and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. These young women are braver and wiser when it comes to this stuff. All the pervert-apologists can do is cry about it. Today’s women aren’t taking anymore from the creeps of the world. Best get used to it!
What a load of rubbish
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I look forward to that day too Parsley.
What a great response Witzend, good for her
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I look forward to the day that when a woman raises a complaint about a man's inappropriate behaviour she will not have criticism heaped upon her for not looking upset enough, or for not reacting at the time, or for taking too long to raise the complaint, or for not putting up with it as it was no big deal anyway.
I look forward to the day when it would be unthinkable to blame the woman for raising the complaint in the first place.
Still, the young Spanish women footballers are supporting her complaint so perhaps that day will come.
I didn’t witness this incident personally, but it went down in the company annals. It was back in the early 70s, when I was airline cabin crew.
A certain stewardess was said to be from a very upper-crusty family, and possessed the voice and bearing to match.
At a mass crew and hangers-on dinner, somewhere abroad, so the story went, some letchy bloke sitting next to her started by putting his hand on her knee (invisible to everyone else under the table) and gradually moved it higher and higher up her thigh.
Apparently she said nothing, and didn’t react at all, until at a certain point she apparently said - at the very top of her supremely upper-crusty voice, so that it echoed all round the table - ‘Would you kindly take your fucking finger out of my fanny?’ 😂
BlueBell is it not possible she could have responded warmly to the kiss. Yes much euphoria for both on winning a World Cup.
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