Thinking about this football winners kiss .

Man loses livelihood down to a kisss no down to his arrogance and disrespect. As others have said, when he first learned that she's been offended he should have made a public apology when he could have reasonably said he was 'caught up in the moment' and was sorry for his unprofessional and unacceptable behaviour.

Instead he arrogantly stated he wouldn't resign and tried to place all responsibility for the incident on the player probably expecting that by virtue of his standing and being a man, he could get away with it.

That goes to you to Freya ridiculous post I bet a pound to a penny in front of a huge crowd and tv cameras you WOULD NOT have acted as you like to think you would very very different to a cool headed reaction

Anniebach I m really surprised at your response to this you are usually a kind gentle person this girl had no choice in front of thousands of eyes, of course she smiled out of sheer embarrassment it doesn’t mean she wanted to be manhandled
I would have smiled too and then cried afterwards and thought why didn’t I slap him across the face, bite his tongue, try to pull away but you don’t! When a man grabbed me and kissed me full on at work I didn’t say a word to anyone I even smiled hello the next day, I just vowed to stay out of his way

This stupid stupid arrogant man could have saved all of this by saying ‘I m so sorry I got carried away in the euphoria of the moment’
That s all it needed

lyleLyle

Really disgusted to read excuses for this individual, though I cannot say I am surprised. Just thankful that a certain mindset is quite literally dying off with those who still blame women and excuse men for despicable behavior. All I know is I am glad to never be surrounded by the kind of people who use “excitement” as an excuse to violate another human being in the most avoidable manner possible. Thankful that the creeps of earlier times are not tolerated by the civilised people of today.

If she was so angry about it a slap around the face would have sufficed. Laughing about it then decided it was assault. Pressure from whom I wonder. If a man,or woman, had done that to me, instant reprisal would be the norm. Not rape or murder, overreaction by everyone. Man loses livelihood down to a kiss.

When the team were on bus/tram they were shouting beso with much laughter , he was with them.

Vetrep What nonsense, most of us, at some time or another, respond in an instinctive way that may be the reverse of what we would like to do, when someone suddenly does something.
I have responded to a sudden hug or kiss from someone, which I would have refused if that person had asked beforehand.

She was in a very public place at a highly emotional moment with the cameras of the world upon her, she may have been happy to hug him, but the kiss on the lips was entirely unexpected. Supposing she had immediately slapped his face - imagine the furore - probably even worse than what is happening now

It isn’t the 60’s or 70’s. Just because then, women were expected to accept groping, forced kisses and sexist remarks doesn’t mean it should be accepted now.

The man was at fault here, not the woman. She did not take 3 days to get upset. She said it wasn’t consensual and she would make no comment until the matter was discussed with her union. Are we to now believe the entire team has somehow lost all sense of reason. The majority view in Spain, mebs and women’s teams and general public are criticising the man, nit the woman.

I agree with you entirely. It’s usually people of a certain age that are fully indoctrinated that they have to accept male entitlement. I am ‘of a certain age’ but have moved with the times as they say 😊

The football kiss reminded me of the kiss done by Schindler to the young Jewish girl who'd presented him with a birthday cake from the workers . Different time and reasons but still made me ' boak' ! Have a wee look .

I think that being young in the 60s and 70s (like me) we just took the touchy feeling stuff in our stride and dealt with it. I don’t remember any of my friends making a big deal of it.
When I worked in a bank one of the managers was a groper but we just laughed and took it turns to have to work with him. Like The History Boys.

Full of adrenaline, in celebratory mood, on the spur of the moment, caught unawares, on international TV, the person getting kissed like this was probably quite shocked and probably reacted automatically, possibly to play things down. Doesn't mean it was acceptable either at the time or on reflection. Really, if the man had acknowledged it was wrong from the start and apologised profusely maybe things could have moved on and turned out differently but no, he wanted to let the world know he was in the right! Arrogance and insensitivity, not reading the signals and behind the times, unaware of what's going on with the 'Me Too' movement. Sportswomen are not his to kiss uninvited, not his toys or children or property. Thank heavens things have moved on since the 1970s when that sort of thing was considered normal and women objecting were regarded as 'bad sports'. Football has to start to make some serious changes.

Anniebach

It took Jenni Hermoso 3 days to decide she was upset

No words.

It took Jenni Hermoso 3 days to decide she was upset

Many do not know how to be a 'man' any more which is sad

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So how do they learn?

I'm the first person to shout for women's rights but I do think this is ridiculous. Jenni Hermoso was not under any threat for goodness sake - there were millions of people watching and it was just an exuberant kiss because he was so delighted - and Spanish! All this angry, affronted, prudish jumping around by women is about something else - a deeper, more general anger. We should be focusing on the outrages in some countries where women have to wear the hijab, for instance, or suffer FGM, or sold into slavery. Millions of women are suffering far, far worse than Jenni Hermoso, who is, I bet, enjoying this (sorry to say). Rubiales does seem a bit of an idiot, though, clutching his genitals etc. So probably he's brought it on himself and is unpleasant in other ways. But I am sick of the fuss some women make about very little. It does not help teach men how to behave. Many do not know how to be a 'man' any more which is sad

Anniebach

Why not ?

😂

I don't think there was much room!

Why not ?

Margiknot

What I meant is that the footballers response of not avoiding the kiss does not mean the kiss was unwelcome.

How do you avoid it when your head is firmly gripped?

Spit in his face in front of millions of viewers?

Not avoiding the kiss does not mean the kiss was welcome.

What I meant is that the footballers response of not avoiding the kiss does not mean the kiss was unwelcome.

I was once embraced enthusiastically by a friends mother ( whom I barely knew). My instinct was to smile back and receive the hug just as the footballer did, despite the surprise! The lady in question mistook me for her soon to be daughter in law who looked similar (she wasn’t wearing her glasses) and was expected to arrive later. Of course we both apologised and had a laugh!

"Happy and euophoric". If that mean he'd had a drop too much to drink, maybe so, but I saw it as a lecher taking the opportunity for a quick snog whether the world was watching or not.

Oh no it hasn’t!

I think he was so happy and euphoric about their win
There are scenes of women kissing women at this time no one said anything about this
It totally distracts from their football achievements
I am in no way suggesting men or women go around kissing on the mouth without consent but this has been taken out of all proportion

There's no excuse for what he did. The sensible thing would have been for him to apologise afterwards and say he got carried away in the heat of the jubilation.

But no. He dug himself a deeper hole. And those who don’t condemn his action are just as bad.