Thinking about this football winners kiss .

Warbler

It was okay until I sneezed on the way out of the hospital. I went to the loo, washed it and wore it on my wrist for a week until my fizzy-o daughter came to visit and said …. “Erm, M-u-u-m what are you wearing on your wrist…..?

I’m confused and don’t get the connection-have I missed something?
And why is your D described as fizzy -o ?

It was okay until I sneezed on the way out of the hospital. I went to the loo, washed it and wore it on my wrist for a week until my fizzy-o daughter came to visit and said …. “Erm, M-u-u-m what are you wearing on your wrist…..?

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Me too EHM!
... and that people make excuses for him!

I worked in a shop on a Saturday in the early 80’s aged 15/16 - the area manager used to come in at Christmas and give us presents of cheap perfume and kiss us all on the lips. Me and a colleague the same age once hid in a cupboard in the staff room so he wouldn’t find us. I find it incredibly depressing that this forced kissing is still happening 40 years later

BlueBelle

A man who had already had his hands on ‘his bits’ in his excitement !!!

Oh Yuk!!! And no time to wash them

BlueBelle

Allsorts he wouldn’t have lost his job and it would have been all forgotten by the next day if the arrogant self entitled sod had just SAID SORRY

👏👏👏

I don't think she changed her views
Allsorts - and I don't understand why you think she did.

Allsorts, the man has a history of unacceptable behaviour. I doubt these Patterns of behaviour will change. The man believes he did no wrong so why change

It was in full view of millions of people and wrong. She reacted as she did and perhaps that's why he thought there was no need to apologise, when she changed her views he should have apologised then. Mistakes were made. He's lost his career so doubt he will do it again..

BlueBelle

Allsorts he wouldn’t have lost his job and it would have been all forgotten by the next day if the arrogant self entitled sod had just SAID SORRY

Hear, hear.
I think,his attitude says more about him than the action but I also find the thought of another drawn out (Spanish) #metoo dialogue tedious.

Allsorts he wouldn’t have lost his job and it would have been all forgotten by the next day if the arrogant self entitled sod had just SAID SORRY

She’s smiling Anniebach she didn’t smack his face or scowl or growl at him she carried on smiling but is clearly embarrassed and mortified

Actually I think the Spanish reporter incident was a few days ago.

You can see with your own eyes that she tries to act as though it didn't happen.

it was not a sexual assault, that insults and makes light of those that have been.

No, it is on a continuum of entitlement and power which allows assault and which which leads to rape.

Today there were reports of a Spanish TV news reporter having her bottom felt on air.
She basically carries on as though nothing has happened until a man in a studio in effect gives her "permission " to call him out.

People don't always react in a way you may think. Or - even react at all.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2023/sep/13/outrage-in-spain-after-man-touches-journalists-bottom-during-broadcast

There is a longer piece if you follow it through onto Twitter/X.

It was foolish and wrong but he should not have been humiliated as he has and lose his job. That's unfair. In the heat of the moment he acted inappropriately but it was not a sexual assault, that insults and makes light of those that have been.

A man who had already had his hands on ‘his bits’ in his excitement !!!

It was a man taking a liberty, assuming he had the right to do as he pleased and kiss a woman on the lips without her consent.

If that is defined as a sexual assault then yes, it was.

I accept the majority here believe it was a sexual assault, I cannot agree. I don’t know if his hands on her head held her in a vice like grip, I don’t know if , taking into account she had been in a long line of exchanging kisses, she suddenly froze or there was warmth in her kiss, others believe not.

No matter, he lost his job, but I really do not believe that in the
euphoria of winning the World Cup it was sex which caused him to act as he did.

Annie i heard the tv/radio news the same day as the final. The footballer statement was she would make no direct comment but allow her union to do so
Wise move. He was at fault she wasn’t and isn’t - he’s persisted to deny minimise deflect, typical behaviour from men who are predatory orvanusive

You’re in a bit of delusion there anniebach and I don’t understand why at all

She didn't.

If in that euphoric moment she responded to his kiss with warmth ?

Anniebach

BlueBell I am not protecting men and blaming women , on this matter I can understand the euphoria of a win in a stadium
I do not believe it was a sexual assault, i don’t believe his thoughts were sexual.

Isn't that for the person who received the attention to determine along with the legal enforcers? He could have easily have apologised for getting caught up in the moment but chose not to. It appears that the police, much of the public including many of the women in sport and many on Gransnet saw the same thing and saw it as an assault.
Incidentally, I do think it is possible that he acted in a moment of euphoria but that doesn't make it right, I'm afraid.

Anniebach

BlueBell I am not protecting men and blaming women , on this matter I can understand the euphoria of a win in a stadium
I do not believe it was a sexual assault, i don’t believe his thoughts were sexual.

It's the power imbalance, Anniebach.