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vickymeldrew Tue 19-Mar-24 14:42:54

I wanted to run this past you Grans, to see if you think I am being unreasonable.
Last year I went to Prague and joined a city highlights walking tour . A lady using a walking frame was in our group. Of course, we went at the speed of the slowest and were content to do so. However, we missed out a big chunk of the scheduled highlights as we ran out of time. Most annoyingly, we didn’t visit Charles Bridge, which as anyone who has been to Prague knows, is one of the most unique and fabulous sights.
I have another European trip booked later this year which includes moderate walking tours each day. I am keeping my fingers crossed that each person on the tour is able to manage the pace. AIBU ?

zakouma66 Thu 28-Mar-24 23:16:00

Poor thing, could barely walk. Still he got the message eventually.

JustMe Thu 28-Mar-24 20:56:13

This has just happened to us. We've been on a wonderful holiday and on a tour to a visitor centre in a rainforest with a short hike within it, and one of the participants could barely walk. The tour was marked as 'strenuous'... why why why would you even think of doing that? The tour guide was so lovely trying to include him, but in the end we went off round the trail on our own.

Serendipity22 Thu 28-Mar-24 20:14:00

Also..... im thinking someone who is disabled wants to enjoy life just as much as everyone else, maybe more so! But on saying that I do think ( on this situation) its unfair and certainly has not been thought through.

Serendipity22 Thu 28-Mar-24 20:08:02

Oooops.. forgot to say No you are not being unreasonable

Serendipity22 Thu 28-Mar-24 20:06:10

Well I have reduced mobility and I am adamant that i will not spoil anybodies fun, so I judge beforehand if I will be a hindrance in whatever situation. Which leads me to say that no way would I venture into something that would hamper someone else's fun/enjoyment.

Suzieque66 Thu 28-Mar-24 18:08:11

No you didnt get what you signed up for and that was not your fault , I hope you complained ..

Marmin Wed 27-Mar-24 09:26:32

As GrannyGravy13 has said, free walking tours are a feature of most European cities. They are usually run by students. They also make a point of saying they will go at the pace of the slowest person. We never found this to be a problem. In most cities these tours were the highlight of our stay. You decide how much to tip your guide at the end or, when you leave the tour.
And yes, once or twice some leave without tipping at all.

Sallywally1 Wed 27-Mar-24 07:48:10

When we went on a cruise there were a number of trips in the country we had docked in. We we warned if the terrain etc was unsuitable for the less mobile and advised on suitable shoes to wear. People should do their homework on a trip like these, it’s only fair on the other people.

tattygran14 Fri 22-Mar-24 14:53:24

I find that on coach trips the people with mobility issues sit at the front, and try to get off first. The whole coach then is standing waiting.
We went on a holiday to France, one man was very disabled, and travelling alone. He sat at the front, and when he got off the driver had to get his mobility thing out of the coach storage.
He took up far too much of everybody’s day. At the end he came to collect tips for the driver, we were all so exasperated that I think the driver missed out.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 22-Mar-24 10:22:28

When we visited Prague a few years ago we knew that free walking tours departed from the Astronomical Clock twice a day. We just turned up and were assigned a guide, who we tipped at the end of the tour.

It involved a lot of walking but our young man was knowledgeable, friendly, worth every penny.

I think this arrangement is somewhat different to an organised tour which you have to pre-book and pay for.

pascal30 Fri 22-Mar-24 09:52:48

I think the onus is on the travel company to provide enough guides so that everyone is catered for. It would be uncomfortable and embarrassing to be holding everyone up.. I don't think you are being unreasonable but maybe make alternative plans if there is a very disabled person in the group by either finding your own way or hiring your own guide.. But explain to the tour guide when you arrive that you don't want to miss anything and see what they can suggest..

NotSpaghetti Fri 22-Mar-24 09:48:20

Of course I hadn't thought about the cobblestones... that wouldn't have worked with a rollator!!

NotSpaghetti Fri 22-Mar-24 09:36:36

You say a "walking frame" - is that what you meant?
My mother-in-law has a rollator and at 99 is too fast for me!

TanaMa Fri 22-Mar-24 09:15:21

I am not disabled, nor do I use any walking aids but, at the age if 89 I know I am not as fast walking (and to enjoy the sights, nor do I want to) so I would never book a tour that entailed a lot if walking. Unfortunately there are always other people who don't match your own expectations - my pet grouch - waiting on a coach/aircraft for the last 1/2 passengers who think announcements about time of departure only apply to others!!

Jb2022 Thu 21-Mar-24 23:03:01

I was one of those people in a wheelchair. It was all so embarrassing. I don’t need to go into detail but it was just so cold and miserable for me. Thankfully we had booked a really nice hotel but I may as well have stayed at home.

biglouis Thu 21-Mar-24 21:59:51

No it was not during the Iron Curtain era that I was in Prague but soon afterwards. We were warned by the tour guide to be very careful with flashing money about or carrying too much in obvious places.

However prices were then so low that little money was needed. I can remember feeling quite vulnerable when I first went out because of being a solo woman but I need not have worried. Prague has a very good and efficient tram and metro system and I made my way about the city very well.

Being alone means you are paying attention rather than chatting to a companion. It makes you far more conscious of your surroundings and who is near you. And being a single I am also very conscious of time passing and of the need to make a rendezvous if necessary.

In the circumstances of the lady with the walker I would have simply abandoned the group and gone off on my own. I have never been one for groups and being herded around.

Dinahmo Thu 21-Mar-24 21:26:42

Reading the OP it was a walking tour that she joined so one assumes that it was for one day or part of a day. In which case, presumably she could have gone back and visited this bridge on another day.

Travel these days is very different, especially when visiting cities. When we were young one could turn up at a gallery or museum or building and get in. these days it's timed tickets for practically everything.

There is a small cave in the Vezere Valley where the number of visitors is reduced to less than 20 each tour and usually people book their visit months in advance.

A few year s ago we visited Salvador Dali's home at Port Lligat where you have to book in advance and the numbers are restricted to 6 or 7 people.

So, you take your chances.

Gossamerbeynon1945 Thu 21-Mar-24 21:01:26

I wouldn't say you were unreasonable at all.

4allweknow Thu 21-Mar-24 20:54:47

No wonder uoh were put out about not managing to see special areas. If they were highlighted as being on the walking tour then the visitor with the walking frame was very selfish hindering others who could have walked at a pace to get to the special sights. If the toyr was prebooked then people should be made aware others who will be slower will also take part and the sights may .

undines Thu 21-Mar-24 20:47:00

I do not think you're being unreasonable. It was selfish and thoughtless of the person with the frame to spoil it for everyone else. Just because someone is disabled does not mean they have the right to control others. Guilt tripping comes to mind. If it had been me I would not have dreamt of holding others up, I would have been too embarrassed!

SunnySusie Thu 21-Mar-24 20:24:07

I usually go on walking holidays, but fairly often there is one person who has booked the holiday but has poor mobility. A good tour leader will deal with the situation by requesting tactfully that they dont go on walks, usually suggesting something else they can do, or arranging for them to use a taxi to meet with the group for lunch or coffee. It is deeply frustrating for walkers who have carefully chosen a holiday to match their abilities, if they find they cant do half the activities because of one person. Really I think its down to the tour company to sort out. And no its not at all unreasonable to feel irritated if that doesnt happen.

Eirlys Thu 21-Mar-24 20:23:08

I can't walk very far now though I only use a walking stick. I wouldn't dream of joining a walking tour , for my sake and for the sake of others.

GrauntyHelen Thu 21-Mar-24 19:48:08

I use a rollator I have since I was 49 if I had booked a walking tour(which is unlikely) I'd not expect anyone to holdback or miss out for me

JollyJilly Thu 21-Mar-24 19:08:21

We had the opposite happen to us, our tour guide in Italy walked too fast and most of the coach passengers could not keep up and missed finding out what was what even though the holiday brochure stated the holiday was ideal for wheelchairs and the disabled.

I spoke to the tour guide about it and she said that they were on a time table and the coach had to leave the area at a certain time.

So whether the tour guide walks slowly or walks quickly, someone is going to miss out on the information given by the tour guide.

My late husband and I preferred to find our own way around and jump on buses and read all about the places on the plaques on the wall. Stopping off for Cream cakes, and ice cream on the way and just people watching.

MissAdventure Thu 21-Mar-24 18:40:17

Me too.
My mobility is very bad sometimes, so if someone has offered to take me somewhere (about twice so far. Miss popularity) I always fill them in on whether I can manage, and if I need to take my walker thing with me.
I wouldnt dream of just plonking myself onto someone.