To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

Callistemon21

^Troublemaker I think^

Or trying to highlight a frightening trend?

Absolutely.

Wong

If he just wanted to cross the road he could have just walked a little further on and crossed where it was clear. Or perhaps he wanted to be confrontational……..mmmm. Troublemaker I think By the way I am not pro either side in this awful conflict. Just sad for the suffering of innocents.

It's backfired on him and his cause (not before going round the world). Whatever the rights and wrongs of allowing the marches to go ahead, Mr Falter has made himself look like a provocateur and has possibly lost sympathy for his cause.

If I were obviously Jewish (and wearing a kippah) I would have the sense to keep away from such a demonstration
It's sad that things are that way
But it's just common sense
I do not blame the police officer. Despite all the iniquities of the Met I think he was just trying to keep the situation calm

Callistemon21

^You're making something up which just isn't there^

There's a fair bit of that on this thread.
And not by Pantglas

Certainly before the full video was publicised.

Pantglas2

Can someone explain why Sky cameraman filming proceedings was not provocative but someone wearing a kippah doing the same thing was threatened with arrest? Surely that is the definition of antisemitism - you’re not bothered by the Gentile, only by the Jew.

The troublemakers on the march were antisemites. The Sky cameraman, of whatever faith or none, was filming from the pavement. That is not provocative. GF could have done the same, rather than, clearly Jewish, wanting to wade in amongst the antisemites and provoke a reaction which he could use to his advantage.

Germanshepherdsmum

fancythat

What I still dont understand is where is the legal point of view on all this?

There doesnt appear to be one.

It cant be all up to what a policeman says, on the day?
A breach of peace had not occured. As far as I can see.

A breach of the peace was prevented by the much-castigated policeman. I have no doubt whatsoever, having heard what some of the marchers were shouting and chanting, that had the policeman not prevented GF from getting amongst them with his friends and cameraman, a violent breach of the peace would have ensued. We should be praising this very patient policeman rather than a man who would have him and the Met chief lose their jobs and pensions.

In 2009, he was a witness to an incident, in which a senior civil servant did lose his job. At appeal, it was agreed that the civil servant didn't say what Mr Falter alleged and Mr Falter was discredited as a witness because he wasn't within earshot.

You're making something up which just isn't there

There's a fair bit of that on this thread.
And not by Pantglas

Pantglas2

Can someone explain why Sky cameraman filming proceedings was not provocative but someone wearing a kippah doing the same thing was threatened with arrest? Surely that is the definition of antisemitism - you’re not bothered by the Gentile, only by the Jew.

For all anyone knows, the Sky cameraman an is Jewish.

1 The Sky cameraperson wasn't doing anything which could possibly have antagonised the marchers.

2 Sky (and many other journalists) were there to film the demo and just happened to be in the right place at the right time to witness the incident. They might very well have already noticed him cross the road, then walk against the flow and thought to themselves there could be trouble.

You're making something up which just isn't there.

Troublemaker I think

Or trying to highlight a frightening trend?

fancythat

What I still dont understand is where is the legal point of view on all this?

There doesnt appear to be one.

It cant be all up to what a policeman says, on the day?
A breach of peace had not occured. As far as I can see.

A breach of the peace was prevented by the much-castigated policeman. I have no doubt whatsoever, having heard what some of the marchers were shouting and chanting, that had the policeman not prevented GF from getting amongst them with his friends and cameraman, a violent breach of the peace would have ensued. We should be praising this very patient policeman rather than a man who would have him and the Met chief lose their jobs and pensions.

If he just wanted to cross the road he could have just walked a little further on and crossed where it was clear. Or perhaps he wanted to be confrontational……..mmmm. Troublemaker I think By the way I am not pro either side in this awful conflict. Just sad for the suffering of innocents.

It is puzzling, Pantglas

I just keep having a feeling of déjà vu and thinking "Is this how it begins?"
Pandering to one loud, vociferous section of the community and allowing them to take over the streets whilst suppressing the freedoms of another - for their own safety, of course.

Callistemon21

So, am I suppose to agree that a Jewish man filming the protest is the the one provoking trouble?
The poor protestors, spewing hatred and shouting "From the River to the Sea" and "scum" are the innocent party?

I cannot believe I am reading this in the UK in 2024!

How long before the protestors start attacking Jewish businesses and homes?

Come off it! The video shows that the protestors were mainly ignoring him and his bodyguards. He was quite deliberately walking against the flow in the road. Quite honestly, if I'd be doing the same, I would have expected the police to stop me. He was looking for a reaction and, unfortunately, he got it.

Can someone explain why Sky cameraman filming proceedings was not provocative but someone wearing a kippah doing the same thing was threatened with arrest? Surely that is the definition of antisemitism - you’re not bothered by the Gentile, only by the Jew.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m glad that people are beginning to recognise that. I am far from happy about having thinly veiled accusations of antisemitism I have received for saying as much from the outset. I always remember my mother’s words when antisemitic words were heard - ‘Our Lord was a Jew’.

Apparently, you're also a hard leftie GSM. I must say you've hidden it well up to now!

Oh, you don’t know the half of it growstuff! I’m a closet Marxist really.

growstuff

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m glad that people are beginning to recognise that. I am far from happy about having thinly veiled accusations of antisemitism I have received for saying as much from the outset. I always remember my mother’s words when antisemitic words were heard - ‘Our Lord was a Jew’.

Apparently, you're also a hard leftie GSM. I must say you've hidden it well up to now!

😂😂😂

What I still dont understand is where is the legal point of view on all this?

There doesnt appear to be one.

It cant be all up to what a policeman says, on the day?
A breach of peace had not occured. As far as I can see.

No, of course the protesters who were doing that are not innocent. Nobody has suggested that they are. But what GF was trying to do could easily have caused verbal abuse to turn into physical abuse towards him, the people accompanying him and others, including members of the police. His actions were deliberately provocative.

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m glad that people are beginning to recognise that. I am far from happy about having thinly veiled accusations of antisemitism I have received for saying as much from the outset. I always remember my mother’s words when antisemitic words were heard - ‘Our Lord was a Jew’.

Apparently, you're also a hard leftie GSM. I must say you've hidden it well up to now!

The policeman saved him from harm

He didnt necessarily want saving.

He didnt want protecting.[deedeedum]

Radio 4 BBC !

A Police officer said ‘ you are openly Jewish ‘

The marchers were aggressive but this is acceptable !

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m glad that people are beginning to recognise that. I am far from happy about having thinly veiled accusations of antisemitism I have received for saying as much from the outset. I always remember my mother’s words when antisemitic words were heard - ‘Our Lord was a Jew’.

I have felt the same on this thread GSM. If you have a different view you must be antisemitic. I am absolutely not antisemitic and none of your posts have been antisemitic either.

So, am I suppose to agree that a Jewish man filming the protest is the the one provoking trouble?
The poor protestors, spewing hatred and shouting "From the River to the Sea" and "scum" are the innocent party?

I cannot believe I am reading this in the UK in 2024!

How long before the protestors start attacking Jewish businesses and homes?

The Police have a duty of care "protection of life and limb". The Officer was only doing his job, protecting the man from a hostile protest march, preventing a breach of the peace or something more serious. Why Khan and others are calling for the Met boss' resignation is beyond me. The Police don't make the law the government does. I think the officer acted very responsibly. However there is an argument that if the individual concerned wanted to put himself in that position then let him for five minutes of fame.

Listening to Radio 4 this lunchtime it appears he was being purposely confrontational in trying to get to the other side of the road, had a camera team with him conveniently and was trying to stir up issues. Just another side to the story maybe 🤷‍♀️