To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

I have watched the vide but found it difficult to hear the exchange of words because of the noise in the background.
That is not a peaceful protest passing by.

The fact remains, the police consider that an 'openly Jewish' man is not safe to cross the streets, not the fact that the march protesters are the people posing the threat to him crossing the street. The man may well have an agenda, as do the Palestinians; is he to be denied the right to gather evidence to promote his cause whilst they are not?
It is appalling that Londoners and visitors to the city have to tolerate this disturbance every week. I had no idea how violent and disruptive, and how large, they are.

If only they could be stopped - but you can imagine the uproar. I hope that, as often happens, police review cctv footage of the march and identify those using hate speech. But the police are too hopelessly outnumbered on the ground to be able to make arrests at the time.

Which posters are ‘hate mongering’, Wyllow?

I would say Mr Falter may have been trying to be provocative. Amongst other things he was trying to do.
Does that make a difference in law to all of this?
Tried to goo gle, but cant find out.

foxie48

Goodness, anyone who disagrees is either anti semitic or "hard left"! Just for the record, I'm neither but like GSM (who I also think is neither) I can see a "set up", read a transcript and come to my own conclusion about what's really going on.

But can you see what's really going on?

Amongst the well meaning marchers are those with a very nasty agenda.

This is London, this is the UK.
This hatred should not be happening on our streets.

foxie48

Goodness, anyone who disagrees is either anti semitic or "hard left"! Just for the record, I'm neither but like GSM (who I also think is neither) I can see a "set up", read a transcript and come to my own conclusion about what's really going on.

If a tree falls in a forest ........

If no-one is there to film it ......

Too late to stop the marches, control of the streets has been taken from the police

Goodness, anyone who disagrees is either anti semitic or "hard left"! Just for the record, I'm neither but like GSM (who I also think is neither) I can see a "set up", read a transcript and come to my own conclusion about what's really going on.

Some people are missing the point.

Why was there a group of Jews, including Mr Falter, at the scene of the protest?
Why were they filming it?

They were not there to be provocative, they were there to get proof of the vile, anti-semitic slogans and hatred being spewed by people whose aim is to exterminate the Jewish people, all this being perpetrated and enabled by the police on the streets of the UK.

A protest march against war is one thing and many people are there because they feel strongly about that. Most of us would want the war to end quickly and a settlement reached.
However, some of those marching have a different agenda and it is chilling.

Perhaps, like France, we should think about stopping these marches.

The full video does give more context. The policeman speaks at length trying to explain what the policy is:

no one crosses the march

At one point Falter pushes "if you want to arrest me" before the "openly jewish" Yes the words the policeman used were anti semitic and it has rightly been addressed and opened an important dialogue

Just as its now clear that anti semitic chants and posters are hate mongering and need to be addressed too.

Germanshepherdsmum

*maddy*, if he had just stood on the pavement and filmed the march he could have made the same point.

I dont think he would have done.

He has found out he was not allowed to walk into the march.

What the law says about this, I do not know.

Whether other people in different circumstances come across the same reaction, I do not know.

If you’ve watched the video you would have heard the vile insults being hurled towards him by some of the protesters. All by people in close proximity to the police officer. If that had been a Muslim being called scum etc the protestors would have been arrrsted.

I also note the ones on here twisting themselves in knots in their attempts to justify this are mostly those with hard left leanings. Says it all really.

It's worth reading the transcript, it's clear it was Mr Falter with the "agenda" and it was he that suggested to the police that they would need to arrest him to stop him walking, not across the road but against the flow of the march! The police offered to take him to a group of Israelis waving Israeli flags and he refused. There's enough occasions when people are anti semitic, Islamaphobic, racist etc without turning this into one of them. Surely the police have enough to do policing these marches without GF and his group adding to it. There were Jews , Jews who wanted to be recognised as Jews, marching just as there has been on every march.

From SKY video

When Mr Falter asked if he would be allowed to cross the road if he removed his kippah, the officer said he would not because he was not confident he would not put it back on.

Definitely anti semitism

maddy, if he had just stood on the pavement and filmed the march he could have made the same point.

GG, I have said all along that GF was seeking to cause an incident and the Sky video is proof of that. The video posted by GF was deliberately misleading. Carefully edited, as we can see from the Sky film - his friend was filming throughout, but only a small clip was chosen for dissemination to the media. But it seems one cannot criticise his motives without veiled, but obvious, hints of antisemitism. I am not, and never have been, antisemitic but I know a set-up when I see one.

I’ve watched the Sky footage. It hasn’t changed my mind. Jews are not free to walk wherever they wish to in London. There were chants of from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free clearly audible on the footage. Baby killer was shouted at the Jewish group. It’s a disgrace in my humble opinion.

Goodness - this thread is a great example of unconscious bias. .

If a young woman is walking down the street near a group of men and she's wearing a short skirt or exposing a bit of cleavage, I bet the police wouldn't tell her she was being "openly sexually provocative" and thus inviting some kind of harassment. And even if they did, for sure, they'd be entering a minefield.

Same principle, regardless of the police officer's intentions.

I would add to my pp - (‘Officialdom in general would appear to be terrified of upsetting them’)

‘… and they are well aware of this, and take full advantage of it.’

GrannyGravy13

maddyone

So where should Gideon Falter have been after shul? Hiding in his house?

I think that is what GSM and others on here think.

Imagine if this was reversed and Muslims were advised not to go to certain areas of London and elsewhere just because they were Muslim?

There would be riots…

I don’t need to imagine. We lived in HK during the riots (Mao)
Because we were white we obeyed the instructions not to go to certain areas and we had curfews from 6pm. We didn’t riot back!

I think that the scary thing about all this is the realisation that our media is not really telling the story in an accurate way.
I started off feeling very indignant on behalf of Mr. Falter. Now we are getting a better understanding of the incident I’m not quite so sympathetic.

I have watched it GSM

I can only go on what you have posted on this thread, nothing else.

I most certainly don’t think that, GG, and I am shocked that you should say I do. Here is the Sky video as requested by Wyllow. I think other posters would benefit from watching and considering it too.
news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104

Callistemon21

^EXCLUSIVE Revealed: Man threatened with arrest by police for 'breaching the peace' by being 'quite openly Jewish' near Gaza march is *chief executive of leading Jewish group - as he calls for mass demo in response^

So a Jewish man is prevented from walking the streets of our capital city because he looks quite openly Jewish and is threatened with arrest because people who are quite openly protesting on our streets are nearby?
He was breaching the peace? And the protestors are not as they prevent people going about their lawful business?

This is quite unbelievable.

That's a very dangerous path the police are going down.

Had the police officer had a quiet word and said he didn't have the manpower there to protect the Jewish man if the protestors turned violent, it would be wise to go another way, that would be reasonable.

Agree with this.

It may have been said before, and I wont have read everything on the subject, but he was stopped from going where he wanted to go?
I realise it would have been for his own safety, but I dont think he should have been stopped if he didnt want to be.

maddyone

So where should Gideon Falter have been after shul? Hiding in his house?

I think that is what GSM and others on here think.

Imagine if this was reversed and Muslims were advised not to go to certain areas of London and elsewhere just because they were Muslim?

There would be riots…

So where should Gideon Falter have been after shul? Hiding in his house?