To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

We were out to dinner with our friends last night, they are Jewish.

They and their family no longer go into London on a weekend…

Wyllow3

I'm glad the words of the policeman were highlighted - brought out important issues - and I'm glad

- just as through time we have heard things said against groups Iam64 mentions in the past that wouldn't now.

But to demand to walk through a crowd in this demonstration?

- the march was made up of different groups of people including Jewish people and peaceful interfaith groups and pro Palestinians who are against the particular regime in Israel not Jewish people as a whole.
No doubt, some anti semitic too.

Going by what Gideon Falter says in the Times article, he didn’t demand to walk through a crowd. He didn’t demand anything. He wasn’t even trying to make a point. He went for a walk after a service, as he does most Saturdays, with five other people. They tried to cross the road ahead of the march, but the police stopped them.

As a result, after a few minutes the crowd grew thicker and they had to stand there while people stopped and abused them, calling them ‘scum’, and no one said anything about it.

As most people have smartphones these days, it’s not at all surprising that one of his friends was able to video what happened.

If GF had been making a point about no-go areas, that would have been a perfectly valid point. But he wasn’t even doing that.

Skye17

This is a quote from the man concerned, Gideon Falter, in the Times.

//Someone said to me recently, is it really the end of the world if Jews just have to stay out of central London for a few months on weekends? Yes. It is the end of a world that has existed since the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when British Jews and their allies saw off the British Union of Fascists, and ever since we have been able to live and thrive as equals in this city.

If we just accept that we are no longer welcome on the streets of London, it is the end of that world.//

apple.news/Ae1HxY_GfS7CRmcMleAZspg

How right he is.

Yes, he is.

I mentioned the Battle of Cable Street.

Are we back in the 1930s?

MissAdventure

The issue is bigger than just walking through that particular crowd, surely?

The point is,that anyone should be safe to walk anywhere, without fear of their beliefs, religion, race or sex being potentially something that endangers them.

The issue is bigger than just walking through that particular crowd, surely?

Yes, it is.

But the police should be seen to be impartial and to be ensuring those who were not protest marchers could have safe passage.

How should the police have acted?

"Unfortunately, I realise your attire could cause some protestors to become antagonistic towards you, sir. I'm sorry about that, but they have been given permission to march so I have to let them do that. Safety and your welfare is my priority so can I help you to cross the street?"

Well - they should. We need to see all sides - a great diversity of views.

If I wanted to obtain evidence of antisemitism I certainly would not choose violence. I definitely do not believe the crowd would have not touched the camera after assaulting/
murdering the men.
I would want photographs of the anti semetic placards etc
For some reason the news camera reports show little,

He did want to walk through the marchers Annie, and to obtain evidence of antisemitism - that’s what he does.

The crowd wasn’t level with them , surprise surprise I can imagine the possible consequences, so I do not believe he wanted to walk through the crowd, what is listed in the good
CAA has done there is no mention of violence

Don’t you realise that he would have to walk through the marchers to get to the other side of the road Annie? And don’t you understand the possible consequences of his doing that?

If not again Jewish people as a whole why was the police officer
unwilling to allow the man to cross the road,
Why is antisemitism rising ?

I'm glad the words of the policeman were highlighted - brought out important issues - and I'm glad

- just as through time we have heard things said against groups Iam64 mentions in the past that wouldn't now.

But to demand to walk through a crowd in this demonstration?

- the march was made up of different groups of people including Jewish people and peaceful interfaith groups and pro Palestinians who are against the particular regime in Israel not Jewish people as a whole.
No doubt, some anti semitic too.

Germanshepherdsmum Sat 20-Apr-24 19:13:33
In which case, MissA, should the marchers have been there?

Annie, you know why he wanted to walk through the crowd- and it wasn’t to get to the other side of the road. Have you read my link to what his organisation does? I think not.

GSM no one spoke of walking through the crowd, walking across the road yes

Yes!
That's why it's important to give others a hand up, so we are all at the same vantage point.

Stop the marches! They are never going to achieve anything other than a self-righteous feeling on the part of the marchers. But then there will be complaints about stopping the right to peacefully (?) protest. A totally pointless waste of time and police resources.

Not a disagreement MissA more an acknowledgement

And some keep getting kicked back down MissA

It's a slippery slope, and some sections of society have only recently grappled their way to the precarious top of it.

Skye17

This is a quote from the man concerned, Gideon Falter, in the Times.

//Someone said to me recently, is it really the end of the world if Jews just have to stay out of central London for a few months on weekends? Yes. It is the end of a world that has existed since the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when British Jews and their allies saw off the British Union of Fascists, and ever since we have been able to live and thrive as equals in this city.

If we just accept that we are no longer welcome on the streets of London, it is the end of that world.//

apple.news/Ae1HxY_GfS7CRmcMleAZspg

How right he is.

Thanks Skye17
Exactly this
Can you imagine if this had been said to any other group? Women, black, Asian, Muslim, Christian

This is a quote from the man concerned, Gideon Falter, in the Times.

//Someone said to me recently, is it really the end of the world if Jews just have to stay out of central London for a few months on weekends? Yes. It is the end of a world that has existed since the Battle of Cable Street in 1936, when British Jews and their allies saw off the British Union of Fascists, and ever since we have been able to live and thrive as equals in this city.

If we just accept that we are no longer welcome on the streets of London, it is the end of that world.//

apple.news/Ae1HxY_GfS7CRmcMleAZspg

How right he is.

Yes, we have the freedom to protest as a human right, (I think! I know I'm preaching to the wrong person here, but....)
Just as we have freedom to go about our business as a right too, I think.

In which case, MissA, should the marchers have been there?

Annie, you know why he wanted to walk through the crowd- and it wasn’t to get to the other side of the road. Have you read my link to what his organisation does? I think not.

He said ‘I want to walk through the crowd ?’

The issue is bigger than just walking through that particular crowd, surely?

The point is,that anyone should be safe to walk anywhere, without fear of their beliefs, religion, race or sex being potentially something that endangers them.

Of course he wanted to walk through a crowd!