To think that London, or anywhere else for that matter, does not belong to any one demographic

Vintagewhine

Those of you who want to ban these marches should look at those countries where protests are banned and ask themselves if they would want to live there. China, North Korea, Russia,the list of undemocratic countries is long. It's also of interest that as countries move further towards the right as in Austria, Hungary etc they start banning protests. We need to protect our right to protest even if you are not in sympathy with this cause, next time, you might be.

It's not a case of not being in sympathy with any particular cause, but something must be done to stop the week in week out disruption to London and its inhabitants. It's not fair that there's disruption every single Saturday with no go areas for anybody not wanting to participate.
Imagine if 5 disparate groups wanted to march in London every Saturday. Where would the necessary police come from? Who is going to keep footing the bill? The beleaguered Londoners? Or would you then choose to allow one group over another?
Our right to protest shouldn't come at the disruption and curtailment to the same people week after week.

Anniebach

*GSM * calm down, why the need for’sides’

It’s not a matter of ‘sides’. That’s silly. There are those who, like me, don’t consider that the police officer displayed antisemitism. And those like you Annie, who insist that because he didn’t choose his words perfectly, he is an antisemite. An ugly slur.

Those of you who want to ban these marches should look at those countries where protests are banned and ask themselves if they would want to live there. China, North Korea, Russia,the list of undemocratic countries is long. It's also of interest that as countries move further towards the right as in Austria, Hungary etc they start banning protests. We need to protect our right to protest even if you are not in sympathy with this cause, next time, you might be.

GSM calm down, why the need for’sides’

Thank you _foxie for putting it so well as to the ‘why’.

Germanshepherdsmum

tickingbird

GSM
My sensibilities? Nasty slurring of a police officer doing his duty? You are obviously quite happy with that. I hope you are never in need of the protection he afforded to GF and his mates.

Stop being dramatic and cease with the telling Annie she doesn’t have any support. She has a lot of support and as for telling us everyone and his dog agrees with you? Where’s your evidence?

Try reading the thread and see how many now agree with Annie. And how many agree with me.

It's not a competition and no-one is taking sides.

Everyone has their own opinions.

tickingbird

GSM
My sensibilities? Nasty slurring of a police officer doing his duty? You are obviously quite happy with that. I hope you are never in need of the protection he afforded to GF and his mates.

Stop being dramatic and cease with the telling Annie she doesn’t have any support. She has a lot of support and as for telling us everyone and his dog agrees with you? Where’s your evidence?

Try reading the thread and see how many now agree with Annie. And how many agree with me.

We should not stop people from saying this is not acceptable

Of course we shouldn't.

But did these people gain publicity because they were marching or because they were interviewed on television?

The problem is that, in the end, people see and hear about these marches, have their lives disrupted by them and become antagonistic towards them because, often they are infiltrated by the anarchists, the rent-a-mob crowd or, in this case, the antisemitists.

Anniebach

Callistemon I took cub scouts to Chapel or Church,my
husband took scouts

We had a rebellious Welsh parent here who refused to allow his DC to join in 🙂
I think she was very disappointed.

Callistemon I took cub scouts to Chapel or Church,my
husband took scouts

Wyllow3

Iam64

I’m old and often wonder what people mean by going down a rabbit hole. Recent posts here lead me to think I might be beginning to get the idea
For what it’s worth, I don’t blame GF for drawing attention to the way these marches are making the Jewish community feel. I don’t blame the sergeant for ‘clumsy’ use of language as he tries to prevent a breach of the peace.
I don’t know the answer to how the right to protest can be prevented from allowing protesters to chant anti semitic words or carry anti demotic posters/parachute on coatscc cd etc- without mass arrests / riots
Good job I’m not Mark Rowley

I agree - I don't think they can go on as they are every week and have no answers (tho I suggested monthly a while back as a possibility.) I don't want the voices for those concerned about the situation in the area be shut down however.

I don't have any answers either but it's a democratic right for people to be able to protest and I'd really worry if that was stopped because it was too inconvenient or too expensive. The fact that many people are prepared to turn out on a regular basis is important and it can make a difference. For about the 100th time, I am not anti semitic, I don't support Hamas but I am really concerned on a humanitarian basis on how the Palestinians are being treated in Gaza. If people are not allowed to express their feelings how does this influence policy? I listened to a British Consultant doctor, ex military, who has been out to Gaza three times and who has just returned. What he had to say about the conditions in Gazan hospitals was heart breaking. He's not Muslim, Arab, a Jew or anything other than a doctor who wants to help sick and injured people. I also read an account of Israeli Jewish doctors performing autopsies on Palestinians who had died in the custody of Israel. Beaten and tortured! We should not stop people from saying this is not acceptable.

Ilovecheese

There seems to have been more trouble from the St George's day marches today than there ever has from the peace marches.

Why is everybody so ANGRY nowadays?

Someone on another thread just ranting and shouting at me 🤬 over a joke! It's very sad and a worrying trend in society.

Ilovecheese

There seems to have been more trouble from the St George's day marches today than there ever has from the peace marches.

To think, the St George's day marches used to be the Cubs, Brownies, Scouts, Guides and RNLI walking along then a short church service.

Oh, those were the days!

Ilovecheese

There seems to have been more trouble from the St George's day marches today than there ever has from the peace marches.

I checked that out Ilovecheese - www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/apr/23/police-clash-with-st-georges-day-protesters-at-rally-in-central-london
-indeed. Predicable
Video
news.sky.com/story/violence-breaks-out-at-st-georges-day-event-in-central-london-13121301

Iam64

I’m old and often wonder what people mean by going down a rabbit hole. Recent posts here lead me to think I might be beginning to get the idea
For what it’s worth, I don’t blame GF for drawing attention to the way these marches are making the Jewish community feel. I don’t blame the sergeant for ‘clumsy’ use of language as he tries to prevent a breach of the peace.
I don’t know the answer to how the right to protest can be prevented from allowing protesters to chant anti semitic words or carry anti demotic posters/parachute on coatscc cd etc- without mass arrests / riots
Good job I’m not Mark Rowley

I agree - I don't think they can go on as they are every week and have no answers (tho I suggested monthly a while back as a possibility.) I don't want the voices for those concerned about the situation in the area be shut down however.

There seems to have been more trouble from the St George's day marches today than there ever has from the peace marches.

Or stop them altogether. A point of public safety
And a very valid reason.

When they become intimidating, discriminatory and/or racist it is time to stop them.

We need to reclaim our streets.

Oreo

Germanshepherdsmum

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Saying someone is openly Jewish is clumsy at best, ignorant at worst, he should not have said it.

If the police officer had said openly black or openly muslim we would be having an entirely different conversation along with protests outside police stations.

Are you sure? In those circumstances, the police officer might not say it, but you can bet that's what (s)he'd be thinking?

Given that this man and his bodyguards had been observed trying to get himself into the crowd and had been hanging around for a while (he wasn't just on a walk home), what do you think the police should have done?

Exactly, growstuff. Some are trying to defend the indefensible.

Actually Germanshepherdsmum I think it’s you trying to defend the indefensible on this matter.
As to Police, they’re like anyone else, good ones and bad ones, lazy ones and prejudiced ones.
It’s been acknowledged that GF was making a point, and the point being that central London is a no-go area for Jewish people unless they hide any symbols they would normally wear.Time for these divisive marches to stop, or meet in an area such as a park.

Or stop them altogether. A point of public safety.

Germanshepherdsmum

growstuff

GrannyGravy13

Saying someone is openly Jewish is clumsy at best, ignorant at worst, he should not have said it.

If the police officer had said openly black or openly muslim we would be having an entirely different conversation along with protests outside police stations.

Are you sure? In those circumstances, the police officer might not say it, but you can bet that's what (s)he'd be thinking?

Given that this man and his bodyguards had been observed trying to get himself into the crowd and had been hanging around for a while (he wasn't just on a walk home), what do you think the police should have done?

Exactly, growstuff. Some are trying to defend the indefensible.

Actually Germanshepherdsmum I think it’s you trying to defend the indefensible on this matter.
As to Police, they’re like anyone else, good ones and bad ones, lazy ones and prejudiced ones.
It’s been acknowledged that GF was making a point, and the point being that central London is a no-go area for Jewish people unless they hide any symbols they would normally wear.Time for these divisive marches to stop, or meet in an area such as a park.

GSM
My sensibilities? Nasty slurring of a police officer doing his duty? You are obviously quite happy with that. I hope you are never in need of the protection he afforded to GF and his mates.

Stop being dramatic and cease with the telling Annie she doesn’t have any support. She has a lot of support and as for telling us everyone and his dog agrees with you? Where’s your evidence?

I’m old and often wonder what people mean by going down a rabbit hole. Recent posts here lead me to think I might be beginning to get the idea
For what it’s worth, I don’t blame GF for drawing attention to the way these marches are making the Jewish community feel. I don’t blame the sergeant for ‘clumsy’ use of language as he tries to prevent a breach of the peace.
I don’t know the answer to how the right to protest can be prevented from allowing protesters to chant anti semitic words or carry anti demotic posters/parachute on coatscc cd etc- without mass arrests / riots
Good job I’m not Mark Rowley

You too Wyllow3

And the appearance of the term in the O/P absolutely quite innocently? Surely it's contextual?

Germanshepherdsmum Tue 23-Apr-24 18:46:17
Anniebach
Someone wearing a kippah can certainly be assumed to be a
Jew, but openly Jewish ? Not secretly Jewish

Stop digging Annie. You must realise you have little, if any, support for your nasty comments about this policeman.

I was asked a question, my reply ,

Anniebach

Someone wearing a kippah can certainly be assumed to be a
Jew, but openly Jewish ? Not secretly Jewish

Stop digging Annie. You must realise you have little, if any, support for your nasty comments about this policeman.