Let’s just brush it under the carpet and hope it goes away.

Wyllow3

Wondering how many UK prisoners in prisons abroad....

I can't find up-to-date statistics but the numbers are quite low.

In 2023-24, Prisoners Abroad supported 1,156 British prisoners detained in 96 countries across the world, as well as 1,508 family members and friends. Our monthly statistics document gives further details about where we work

During the Napoleonic Wars, a French chasse-marée was wrecked in a storm off the coast of Hartlepool. The only survivor from the ship was a monkey, allegedly dressed in a French Army uniform to provide amusement for the crew. On finding the monkey on the beach, a group of locals decided to hold an impromptu trial. Because the monkey was unable to answer their questions, and because they had seen neither a monkey nor a Frenchman before, they concluded that the monkey must be a French spy. Being found guilty, the animal was duly sentenced to death and summarily hanged on the beach.

Wikipedia

2020 being the report I'd found earlier - the same one I believe.

Callistemon213 did you open it to read it?
I clicked on your link and it was 2020?

Wondering how many UK prisoners in prisons abroad....

NotSpaghetti

That's the most recent actual report I could find too Callistemon21 - but it's from four years ago.
July 2020 so cannot have data beyond the end of 2019.

Where are the more recent reports I wonder?
I'm sure they used to be yearly when I worked with MAPPA.

The report I linked to is dated 8th July 2024 and states that it does include statistics from March 2024 I believe.

That's the most recent actual report I could find too Callistemon21 - but it's from four years ago.
July 2020 so cannot have data beyond the end of 2019.

Where are the more recent reports I wonder?
I'm sure they used to be yearly when I worked with MAPPA.

flappergirl

Bumface

Anybody who threatens the safety of women and children needs to be dealt with. To me it is irrelevant what nationality they are or their immigration status. Whoever they are they need to stopped.

Even after the business with Wayne Cozens and the subsequent revelations about other police officers, I still think the police are not taking the problem seriously enough.

The Police not taking it seriously enough? They're part of the problem Bumface. Every single week without fail there's yet another one in the press for sexual crimes against women or deviant social media posts. Who needs to worry about illegal immigrants!

Are you agreeing with me or did you mis-read what I wrote?

Prison Statistics:

researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04334/SN04334.pdf

UK prison population is about 95,000 by the way.

Witzend
There ard some statistics on foreign nationals in our prisons. I haven't seen the 1 in 7 figure anywhere.

Albanians outstrip the other
Immigrants and foreign nationals in our prison population. Last count there were 1273 people from Albania in our prisons which is 300 people more than the next highest, Poland, followed by Romania and Ireland (750 and 650 people).

I swear I read recently that 1 in 7 of all inmates in U.K. prisons were of a particular nationality, or national origin, if they subsequently been given U.K. citizenship.

But I won’t name it here, for pretty obvious reasons.

All the newspaper reports read almost exactly the same (just read 5 including Local) with quotes from the police.

eg
www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/group-men-arrested-after-trying-33197640

There is no basis in any report about the background of the men. I'm appalled by some of the comments and assumptions made on this thread.

Overall stats: "There were approximately 1,122 child abduction offences recorded by the police in England and Wales in 2022/23, an increase when compared with the previous year."

JaneJudge

www.theguardian.com/society/2023/jun/11/home-office-faces-legal-action-over-children-missing-from-uk-asylum-hotels

Mmmm very interesting, especially as all we see in the media is that ALL asylum seekers arriving in boats are big grown up men!

Luckygirl3

Well - no one knows if it is the "hotel dwellers" - but it is important that it is fully investigated. If it is them, then they must be arrested.

I agree it needs to be thoroughly investigated and WHOEVER the perps are arrested.

No wonder Sunak called an election in such a hurry.

Sago

A village outside our City has had a case of four men trying to abduct children, the Police were warned of this numerous times apparently, a local shopkeeper observed these men more than once and called 999.

The men got brave and tried to bundle a 9 year old girl into their car.
Thankfully a member of the public intervened.

These men are allegedly residing at an hotel locally with lots of other men.

They were arrested for the attempted abduction of 5 minors.
They have been released on conditional bail.

As they have no ID, no traceability and nothing to lose it’s very likely they will just disappear into the ether.

This has not been widely reported and apparently local people are furious.

Last year a local university hall of residence was used as accommodation for immigrants, local opposition was strong but it went ahead, a young girl was sexually assaulted, there was one news report and then it went quiet.

The men were all moved on.
No explanation……..just all gone.

Is this a common theme across the UK?

Why are we not allowed to talk about this?

Will our new government offer some transparency or will this just continue to be brushed under the carpet?

I’m assuming you have a local link?

Darren Grimes, whoever he is, would do better to berate the movement who let the situation build up in prisons so that

governors warning that the prison estate in England and Wales will be effectively full within the next week or so

(all refs a little further up the page)

That’s utterly disgraceful in both cases. I don’t care who they are, where they are from, this is completely unacceptable and should be dealt with and given as much attention of any other case of it’s kind.

Have you not read my posts /references above, primrose?

Under the last government (report May 14th)

The disclosure comes amid accusations that the justice secretary, Alex Chalk, has broken a pledge that the scheme would only apply to “low-level offenders”.

In a report published on Tuesday, Taylor said a “high-risk” inmate at HMP Lewes who posed a danger to children had his release date brought forward despite “having a history of stalking, domestic abuse and being subject to a restraining order

However Labour have clearly said
Offenders jailed for sex crimes, violence or terrorism would be excluded from the scheme, as would any offender subject to Parole Board decisions upon their release

“We haven’t made any decisions yet,”

Have you a reliable source for that x allegation, please?

Primrose53

x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1810780455613907226

Your link (to X)...

So Darren Grimes tells us about a 'report' (to which there is no reference nor link) which 'suggests' that grooming gang members may be released early. Under Labour.

Followed by Samantha Smith's comment where she highlights a published proposal by Labour - where sex offenders will be exempt from early release, along with terror-related and violent criminals.

... which point are you highlighting, because one contradicts the other?

Or were we supposed to only read the first comment?

x.com/darrengrimes_/status/1810780455613907226

The Jay report confirmed a key issue in failure to protect the victims was that they were not viewed as children. They were often blamed for the abuse they were subjected to, seen as making ‘poor life style choices’
The perpetrators were largely night workers, taxi drivers, take away staff. By its nature, mainly of Pakistani Muslim origin. Other forms of organised child sexual exploitation involves families of white British origin, or men who work on the doors at clubs.
Ethnicity is not the key reason these girls weren’t protected, it was the fact our criminal justice system fails to prioritise and protect children, especially those vulnerable to sexual exploitation.

Of course it will be swept under the carpet, just like Rochdale.
That’s life here now.

The massive scandal of the Asian Rochdale grooming gang went on for years before the Police finally got them into court and secured convictions but not before an awful lot of victim blaming had taken place.
It seems that men of a certain ethnic disposition have an almost automatic immunity as far as investigation over their activities is concerned. The police find it a whole lot easier to throw accusers under a bus than to deal with allegations head-on.